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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:34 PM   #2301
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In my opinion the future of Paris transportation lies by the extension and creation of metro lines in suburbs, more exactly in inner suburbs.
The close spacing of the station is a problem but journey would still be faster than with bus or tram.
I also believe that we can close some unnecessary metro stations.

I don't believe in the creation of a new RER lines in mid term, it would be to costly to build a new tunnel under central Paris and we would need to tracks in suburbs because the existing one cannot cope with more trains (this is not possible overground).
Any new RER line would need to be underground in the center and in the suburbs.
There will still be two big RER project, the extension of the RER E to the west and the creation of a new tunnel between Chatelet and Gare du Nord for the RER D.
After these two big projects, most of the work on the RER will be a big upgrade of the existing services. It will be very costly, estimated to one billion euro per line.

There will be new tram lines, but the trams are not efficient enough to be the future of transportation in Paris.
Tram only cater to some local journeys or as a link to RER or metro.

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Do the inner suburbs of Paris have sufficient population and employment center density to support a large-scale expansion of rail transit corridors to link them to the Paris city center (either via Métro or RER)?
Yes without any doubt.
Don't also forget that Paris still grow. Not at a very fast pace if we compare with some other french cities but as Paris is really big even a medium growth means a lot of inhabitants.
10 years in Paris metropolitan area means almost 800,000 new inhabitants and most of the growth of the last decade was in inner suburbs.

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Do you think that expansion of Métro would help re-intergrate Paris with its inner suburbs? On a related note, what would you say to creating a regional government (Grand Paris) similar to Greater London?
Better transit will help to integrate better the suburbs with the inner city but the only real solution is a wide municipal government like Greater London.
Because Paris issues are not only transportation but housing, public utilities, etc.
Paris unlike other european big cities didn't expanded its city limits.
A Greater Paris would facilitate the creation and financing of large project, it would allow for better planning throughout the city, it would help to fight against inequality and segregation.
The poorer and the wealthier areas would have access to the same budget.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 04:46 AM   #2302
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Thanks for your detailed response, Minato! I had the pleasure of visiting Paris for the first time last year (2010) and using the Paris Métro, Paris Bus, and RER (sadly no tram or Transilien). As a tourist I found the Paris public transportation system one of the most useful I've ever used; judging from what I saw the system must have a similar utility for Parisians themselves. To me, biggest thing holding back public transit in the Paris region is a lack of connections between Paris itself and the inner suburbs.

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There will still be two big RER project, the extension of the RER E to the west and the creation of a new tunnel between Chatelet and Gare du Nord for the RER D.
What? no new line between Hausmann St. Lazare and Gare Montparnasse? I take it this map is just a crazy fantasy then: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Vision2025.png
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Old July 12th, 2011, 05:06 AM   #2303
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Yes this map is just a crazy fantasy.
Except the western extention of the RER E to Mantes la Jolie via la Defense and the loss of branches of the RER C and D, don't expect any big change in the RER network visible in the map.

If you have any other question about the RER use this thread.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 02:23 PM   #2304
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Wow, that map does look impressive. Too bad much of it will not be built.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #2305
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MP 89 Compilation



MF 77 Compilation



MF 67 Compilation (moved this from page 106)





For those of you who do not know about the show, Rick Steve's Europe, there was an episode that focused on Paris, including a brief scene of Line 14.



Various Lines - Sprague Compilation


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Old July 13th, 2011, 10:36 AM   #2306
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The first MP05 should run on line M1 with passengers in november 2011, or at worst on january 2012.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 05:42 AM   #2307
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No bueno Thanks for the update though.

I'm guessing this will mean only MP 89CC #01 will remain the only MP 89 CC stock on Line 4 until that time.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 07:50 AM   #2308
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Not necessary, I read that the second MP89 could arrive at the end of August.
In the other way there are already 31 MP05 built, 8 are waiting in the line 1. So after the approval of the driverless run for passenger, things should be fast.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 02:59 PM   #2309
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When is the Paris Metro expected to be entirely driverless throughout the network?
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Old July 14th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #2310
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Perhaps someday. No joke...

I don't think they will have every line automated in our generation.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 03:54 PM   #2311
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Not necessary, I read that the second MP89 could arrive at the end of August.
In the other way there are already 31 MP05 built, 8 are waiting in the line 1. So after the approval of the driverless run for passenger, things should be fast.
Thanks for the update Minato. That is good news.

Perhaps there will be two MP 89 on Line 4 by the time we see the next videos from Beno & Authur.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #2312
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I don't think they will have every line automated in our generation.
Why not? What is the life expectancy of rolling stock?
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Old July 14th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #2313
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There are many factors that go into making the entire system fully automated. The big one being cost. Not that the entire system can't be fully automated, but it will take time, planning, and money to do it. Don't expect to happen in the next 50 years either. I don't even see Line 4 being fully automated until possibly 2030.

As for your question, I am not the one to answer that.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #2314
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Mairie de Montrouge, rendering
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Old July 14th, 2011, 10:40 PM   #2315
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Mairie de Montrouge, rendering
Why on earth did they put an MF01 in the rendering when this is a rubber-tyred metro line? (shakes head in confusion)

Neat rendering though. At first, I was expecting to see a large station like Line 14, but when I saw the construction photos on Metro Pole, I realized that this wouldn't be the case.

To Montrouge......

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Old July 15th, 2011, 12:07 PM   #2316
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This plant looks very tight, but I like it!
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Old July 15th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #2317
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I really miss these.

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Old July 16th, 2011, 02:48 PM   #2318
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I wish I would have seen the Sprague too. They look like nice trains.
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Old July 16th, 2011, 03:12 PM   #2319
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Unfortunately, the Sprague are not anymore allowed to run on the network, even for special day.
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Old July 16th, 2011, 08:12 PM   #2320
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I think there is no point on running outdated rolling stock. Despite renovations, there is a point beyond which it becomes too expensive to adapt, modernize and retrofit subway (or train) cars. When you adopt improved signaling and other technologies, to maintain legacy compatibility is usually expensive, and sometimes outright dangerous.
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