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Old September 8th, 2011, 02:02 AM   #2421
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The translation of "6 routes" is "6 roads", so it means exactly what you think.

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155km in 14 yars? There is no way - according to the speed of extention works in Paris right now - it takes years and years to add just one station on line M8 or M4 so i doubt. Paris will never build as many km of new metros. Not even in 30 years... but if i'm wrong, i'll buy u a beer
That's why the State gets involved in this project.
Because it tooks years to buit a small extension, the planning of transport is 15 years late.
Obviously people are more and more dissatisfied with the condition of transport.

The Right wing (The State) and the Left wing (Regional council) don't have many other choise to push the development of new mass transit if they want to be reelected or elected.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 12:23 PM   #2422
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155km in 14 yars? There is no way - according to the speed of extention works in Paris right now - it takes years and years to add just one station on line M8 or M4 so i doubt. Paris will never build as many km of new metros. Not even in 30 years... but if i'm wrong, i'll buy u a beer
You are right. It takes ages to build one single station right now on the metro network.

But that's because it's the STIF, authority controlling the Paris public transport network, who is in charge of the construction and not the French state. And that's a big problem because the STIF does not have the financial means to build more than one or two station a year. On the other side, the French State is going to invest €4b in the next months for the start of the works. Moreover, the regular administrative process is quite long for the STIF which is not the case for the French state thanks to the 2009 Grand Paris law.

But we'll see by 2025 who is right and who is wrong.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #2423
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But that's because it's the STIF, authority controlling the Paris public transport network, who is in charge of the construction and not the French state. And that's a big problem because the STIF does not have the financial means to build more than one or two station a year.
The City of Paris and the Île de France region have more than enough money to rapidly expand the Metro and the RER, however, they choose to spend the money on other things. Whether those other things are more or less important than investment in rail infrastructure is a matter of opinion and, in my opinion, probably off-topic.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #2424
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Line 11 stock

I noticed on the Line 11 page on Wikipedia that the plan during the course of 2014-2016 is to replace the MP 59 stock with the MP 73 stock from Line 6 to prepare Line 11 for expansion. Judging by what has been discussed so far with spare MP 59 being moved from Line 4 to Line 11, I believe that the wiki article may be inaccurate. Can someone please clarify what is exactly to be the case with Line 11 in the next few years?

Line 11 Wiki (English): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_11
The document (PDF) by which this refers to is in French: http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/STIF_RA...me_02-1430.pdf
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Old September 9th, 2011, 08:28 PM   #2425
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First time seeing car-end windows on a Sprague-Thomson. Were they always there or were the cars modified?
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Old September 9th, 2011, 10:21 PM   #2426
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......... clickable (both)...

Sort of queer that no image of Paris's MA-51 fleet's ever been uploaded
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Old September 9th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #2427
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First time seeing car-end windows on a Sprague-Thomson. Were they always there or were the cars modified?
It is the original livery of the Nord-Sud Sprague.
They were repaint in the Green CMP after the Nord Sud company extinct.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 10:39 PM   #2428
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Livery? Car-end windows ! (車端の窓 )
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Old September 9th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #2429
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Sorry, I didn't read well your message, it often happen to me as I tend to read very fast.
About windows, I don't know.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 11:11 PM   #2430
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(I'm just teasing!)
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Old September 9th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #2431
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No, it is my first personality hitting my second.
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In this video we see some view of Paris metro in 1989.

03:55 Bastille, line 1
05:18 Chatelet les Halles
05:34 Moving walkay Montparnasse-Bienvenue
05:54 Cab view of a MP59 arriving at Gare de l'Est
07:28 MP59 arriving at Cité
08:48 MF77
08:59 Louvre Rivoli
09:41 Saint Sulpice
09:56 Driver of a MP59
10:16 Moving walkway Chatelet
11:28 Chatelet les Halles, RER A platform
11:42 A station where run the line 3, maybe République.
12:24 Charles de Gaulles Etoile, RER

This video is not about the metro but about classic musicians playing in the metro.
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Old September 10th, 2011, 02:34 PM   #2432
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I noticed on the Line 11 page on Wikipedia that the plan during the course of 2014-2016 is to replace the MP 59 stock with the MP 73 stock from Line 6 to prepare Line 11 for expansion. Judging by what has been discussed so far with spare MP 59 being moved from Line 4 to Line 11, I believe that the wiki article may be inaccurate. Can someone please clarify what is exactly to be the case with Line 11 in the next few years?

Line 11 Wiki (English): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_11
The document (PDF) by which this refers to is in French: http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/STIF_RA...me_02-1430.pdf
I don't know about this and never heard about MP73 going on line M11. But I don't believe in it, because M11 with its extension will get a lenght of ~11.5 km while M6 is a 13.6 km line : there would be too many MP73.

And another thing about it : the MP59 will be at the end of its lifetime exactly with the extension to Rosny ; RATP would like to remove rubber-tracks, because a train MP is 50% most costly than a train MF.

So an automatisation would be very interesting :
- New trains needed, with a "new" system (steel and not rubber)
- A lenght approximatively doubled.
- If you divide number of passengers with the lenght of the line, M11 is at 5% from M14...
Nothing official, but... Who knows ?
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Old September 10th, 2011, 05:58 PM   #2433
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I've seen that a lot of Paris metro lines was filmed by 46arthurdu. Does anyone know when to follow ?
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Old September 10th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #2434
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I just thought I'd create an in-house list and indicate which videos have outdoor segments.

arriving Spring 2012

  • direction Nation -- 4 videos sorted (outdoors, 2nd & 3rd ones)

  • direction Pont de Levallois-Bécon -- 4 videos sorted

  • direction Porte des Lilas -- 1 video (topmost)

arriving Spring 2012

  • direction Bobigny-Pablo Picasso -- 4 videos sorted (outdoors, 1st & last ones)

  • direction Charles de Gaulle-Etoile -- 4 videos sorted (outdoors, each one)

arriving Winter 2011/12

  • direction Botzaris -- 2 videos (2nd & 3rd ones)

arriving November 2011

arriving Winter 2011/12

  • direction Boulogne Pont de St-Cloud -- 3 top videos (sorted)
  • direction Gare d'Austerlitz -- bottommost video

  • direction Mairie des Lilas -- 2 videos sorted



  • direction Asnières-Genevillers 4 videos sorted (outdoors, 1st & last ones)
  • direction St-Denis (La Fourche - St. Denis) arriving November 2011
  • direction Saint Lazare -- 1 video (bottommost)
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Old September 11th, 2011, 11:37 AM   #2435
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HARTride 2012 already made that:

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Below is the listing of all of the lines that have been filmed by 46arthurdu thus far, including links to all of the videos.



Part 1: Porte Dauphine - Villiers
Part 2: Villiers - Barbès-Rochechouart
Part 3: Barbès-Rochechouart - Couronnes
Part 4: Couronnes - Nation



Part 1: Galliéni - République
Part 2: République - Saint Lazare
Part 3: St-Lazare - Porte de Champerret
Part 4: Porte de Champerret - Pont de Levallois-Bécon



Entire Line: Gambetta - Porte des Lilas



Part 1: Place d'Italie - Bastille
Part 2: Bastille - Gare de l'Est
Part 3: Gare de l'Est - Porte de Pantin
Part 4: Porte de Pantin - Bobigny-Pablo Picasso



Part 1: Nation - Bercy
Part 2: Bercy - Denfert-Rochereau
Part 3: Denfert-Rochereau - La Motte Picquet-Grenelle
Part 4: La Motte Picquet G. - Charles de Gaulle-Etoile



Part 1: Louis Blanc - Pré St-Gervais
Part 2: Pré St-Gervais - Botzaris



Part 1: Gare d'Austerlitz - Sèvres-Babylone
Part 2: Sèvres-Babylone - Javel-André Citröen
Part 3: J.-André Citröen - Boulogne-P. de St-Cloud
Part 4: B.-Pont de St-Cloud - J.-André Citröen



Part 1: Châtelet - Belleville
Part 2: Belleville - Mairie des Lilas



Part 1: Châtillon-Montrouge - Montparnasse-Bienvenüe
Part 2: Montparnasse-Bienvenüe - Saint Lazare
Part 3: St-Lazare - La Fourche
Part 4A: La Fourche - Asnières-Genevillers
Part 4B: La Fourche - St. Denis Coming in Nov



Entire Line: Olympiades - Saint Lazare

====Unfilmed Lines====

*November, 2011


*Winter, 2012


*Spring, 2012
(he is waiting for the MP 05 to be put into service, as well as more MP 89 onto Line 4)

*Much later in 2012
(re-upload, because the original video was poor quality. Plus when the line is re-filmed, there will be more MF01 operating)
I have to see the line 13 videos...
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Just watched the line 13 videos. I'm awaiting for the other branch, 46arthurdu didn't recorded that because of saturation.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #2437
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I don't know about this and never heard about MP73 going on line M11. But I don't believe in it, because M11 with its extension will get a lenght of ~11.5 km while M6 is a 13.6 km line : there would be too many MP73.

And another thing about it : the MP59 will be at the end of its lifetime exactly with the extension to Rosny ; RATP would like to remove rubber-tracks, because a train MP is 50% most costly than a train MF.

So an automatisation would be very interesting :
- New trains needed, with a "new" system (steel and not rubber)
- A lenght approximatively doubled.
- If you divide number of passengers with the lenght of the line, M11 is at 5% from M14...
Nothing official, but... Who knows ?
If it is the case that rubber-tyred operation is completely removed from Line 11 upon construction of the extension (which may open between 2015-2016), perhaps we will see the proposed MF 2015 move on to Line 11.

So around 2020, we may see this.......

MF 67 (the newly refurbished ones)
I would guess these trains will be reaching the end of their useful lives in around 2020 or so...

MF 77
My guess is that the MF 77 will begin to be phased out during the course of 2020 through 2030

MP 89
If Line 4 is ever put into full automation like & , perhaps RATP will retrofit the MP 89 for automatic operation, since they will have nowhere else to go. Line 6 will have new stock by then (MP 09)

MF 01

MP 05

MP 09 (Proposed, could be put into operation between 2014 & 2020)

MF 2015 (Proposed, could be put into operation between 2017 & 2030) & the future M-15 Should the B-Lines be officially merged.

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I've seen that a lot of Paris metro lines was filmed by 46arthurdu. Does anyone know when to follow ?

I am guessing that Line 12 will be among the last ones filmed, along with Lines 1 & 4, and then the redo of Line 5 (since the original video was very poor quality).
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Old September 11th, 2011, 09:12 PM   #2439
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[I]If Line 4 is ever put into full automation
From an interview of Pierre Mongin, Ratp chairman, it seems that the next line to be automated will be line 7. Line 7 is the line with the highest number of trains running at the same time during peak hours.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #2440
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Bravo (brava? )!
No, HARTride 2012 hadn't, whose very own version is --uhm-- out house (I'm just teasing); besides, neither was there any indication of which ones reveal outdoor segments nor the corresponding directions of travel

I wish you luck better luck at trying to be clever, CNGL
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