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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #2441
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From an interview of Pierre Mongin, Ratp chairman, it seems that the next line to be automated will be line 7. Line 7 is the line with the highest number of trains running at the same time during peak hours.
What I understood of this interview is just that they will change the ATO system.
I don't think that the line 7 will become driverless.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 11:31 PM   #2442
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No, HARTride 2012 hadn't, whose very own version is --uhm-- out house (I'm just teasing); besides, neither was there any indication of which ones reveal outdoor segments nor the corresponding directions of travel

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Trainrover, I knew that you made your own list for your reasons. Therefore, there is nothing for others to argue about lol.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 11:34 PM   #2443
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What I understood of this interview is just that they will change the ATO system.
I don't think that the line 7 will become driverless.
I find it very difficult to automate lines 7 & 13 because they both have branch segments. Too many questions to be raised.

This is just my opinion: Frankly, because of the state of the world economy, among other things, I am doubtful that even Line 4 will be automated before 2020. I am very glad that some projects like the Arc Express are able to move forward, but after seeing the constant delays with Line 1, and the economy getting progressively worse, I think that the STIF & RATP are really thinking long and hard about what projects are viable to move forward with now, and which ones to shelve temporarily or cancel completely.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 12:59 AM   #2444
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It been a long time that it is not a problem to have driverless line with branchs.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #2445
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Oh I see.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 05:22 PM   #2446
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Trainrover, I knew that you made your own list for your reasons. Therefore, there is nothing for others to argue about lol.
I thank you for compiling your list. Ultimately, I wanted the elevated line segments listed/documented because I always found them so fascinating to travel upon.




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May I suggest, please, your hyperlinking your Ligne icons to the 'here-posted' videos ?
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My own searches hadn't revealed whether any of the videos themselves had been shared here.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 09:59 PM   #2447
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Gare de Lyon, construction of a new access to the platforms.




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Old September 13th, 2011, 01:25 AM   #2448
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Neat!
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Old September 13th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #2449
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How is the automatization of the line 1 going?
Are any MP05's already running?
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Old September 13th, 2011, 05:58 PM   #2450
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First MP05 could run november, 3th.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 03:35 AM   #2451
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  1. heavy-duty rubber-tyred metro DOES appear possible
  2. Sapporo, being a snowy place like here, has definitely worked at running its trains outdoors COVERED
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How did Sapporo overcome the loading guage of rubber-tyred metro, for its metros appear heavy-duty, e.g., broad cars? I've understood that rubber-tyred metros must limit the weight of trains + passengers, otherwise the tyres wouldn't be capable of all the extra weight that Sapporo's fleets seem quite capable of accommodating.

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Old September 14th, 2011, 04:59 AM   #2452
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And this relates to Paris in which manner? (confused)
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Old September 14th, 2011, 05:43 AM   #2453
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Rubber-tyred trains, perhaps?

Can't really think of anything else....
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Old September 14th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #2454
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And this relates to Paris in which manner? (confused)
Generally, L'Ile de France's the source of this type of traction

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How did Sapporo overcome the loading guage of rubber-tyred metro, for its metros appear heavy-duty, e.g., broad cars? I've understood that rubber-tyred metros must limit the weight of trains + passengers, otherwise the tyres wouldn't be capable of all the extra weight that Sapporo's fleets seem quite capable of accommodating.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #2455
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So IdF is the source of such traction. So what?

The question would be more relevant if asked about Lyon.

And will the trains for the Arc Express be steel-wheeled or rubber-tyred?
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Old September 14th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #2456
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The Arc Express doesn't exist anymore, it is the Grand Paris express.
Excepted for the extension of the rubber-tyred line 14, it will be steel-wheeled.
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Sheeesh, same project, different names. :P
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Old September 15th, 2011, 08:08 PM   #2458
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Not exactly the same project, since Arc Express was the Region-backed project of an orbital line in the inner suburbs (~50-60 km) whereas Grand Paris Express is the Government plan for several new lines + an extension of line 14 (~155-175 km). Some sections of the ring line planned by the Region will be integrated in GPE (notably the southern and northern portions) while other's future is more incertain (e.g. the eastern section, and probably the southwestern one too).

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Old September 15th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #2459
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So what?
So what?!? If it were the source, which it appears it ain't
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as far a I know, the concept was developed independently
my query's merely how did the Japanese work around the loading gauge limitation. For decades now, literature claims rubber train tyres incapable of supporting heaviness like steel-wheel traction does, yet Sapporo's proof to the contrary: That's what!

Compared to Sapporo's rubber-tyred traction, Lyon's own share reveals no innovation.
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Old September 16th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #2460
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Don't forget that rubber metro lines in Paris are old steel-wheeled lines converted.
They did the convertion without stoping the exploitation of the lines, wich means that during several months steel-wheeled trains shared the lines with rubber tired trains.

It is still possible to run steel-wheeled train on rubber tired lines.




http://thuthuboutick.fr/histmet/metro01.htm

While the line 14 always was a rubber tired line, it uses the same system than the other rubber tired lines of Paris metro.

http://ademas.assoc.free.fr/photos-circuits.htm
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