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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:56 PM   #2841
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These doors are surely usefull, but they kill the oldfashioned glamor of Parisian stations IMO
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 08:04 PM   #2842
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True, but then how else to control the ever increasing numbers of people boarding and deboarding the trains? Not to mention keeping them from falling onto the track?

I can't imagine using PSDs that are not of a modern design.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 10:13 PM   #2843
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These doors are surely usefull, but they kill the oldfashioned glamor of Parisian stations IMO
Not so much in Liege, Varenne or Saint Francois Xavier, the least busy stations of the line but but they want to standardize the infrastructure in the central part.

Very usefull in Place de Clichy that can become extremely crowded during rush hours.
I don't understand why they haven't done yet the installation at Place de Clichy.

The busiest station outside the central section is Mairie de Clichy (crowded in rush hours) and no platform doors are planned for the moment.
I heard that they think to install platform doors in the entire line in the future.

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Old February 2nd, 2012, 10:29 PM   #2844
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That will be a good thing if PSDs are eventually installed along the entire Line 13.

Speaking of Line 11, has anyone heard of anything regarding whether or not some MP 59 may move to Line 11 from Line 4? I assume that a majority of them will be scrapped.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 10:31 PM   #2845
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Many delays happen in Montreal because of backpacks, mobile devices, laptops, etc, falling onto the metro tracks. Carelessly discarded free newspapers jamming train doors is another big reason. By my own observations riding the metro, I see more passengers tossing their free dailies aside (littering) than conscientious ones, be it on-board or on-platform.

Anyhow, there's been no talk about retrofitting platforms with PEDs. Are free dailies available at Paris metro stations? What fraction of readers properly disposing their free dailies can be observed there? Do the PEDs become obstructed by tossed-aside newspapers?
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 11:00 PM   #2846
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Yes free newspapers are available in Paris metro, in morning rushour there are people outside the subway, RER and suburban train station giving those to passengers.
20 minutes, Metro and Direct Matin.
In evening rush hours, it is Direct Soir (no news, only people, sport and TV program).

When I take the metro just after rush hours, trains are full of free newspaper on the seats and floor.
Very few people throw their newspapers on the tracks or on platform, they let papers in the trains.
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I can attest to the littering of the subway as well. When I was in Paris in 2009, I would frequently enter a train on Line 4 or 6 and the floors would be littered with newspapers.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 11:22 PM   #2848
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people are not civilized in paris! In lille we have all those papers and in each station you have bin to pull them in.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 11:46 PM   #2849
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Speaking of Line 11, has anyone heard of anything regarding whether or not some MP 59 may move to Line 11 from Line 4? I assume that a majority of them will be scrapped.
I don't see why, the line 11 doesn't lack of train. The majority (to not say all) of the line 4' MP59 will be scrapped.

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 01:48 AM   #2850
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On a urban exploring website, i found this MF77 carriage. Does someone know more about him? The interior is strange..




It looks like there are still a lot of Spragues:


And some more:

image hosted on flickr


This MF67 looks strange in some way:


And very special Zebulon:
http://sleepycity.net/1491.jpg
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 04:40 AM   #2851
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On a urban exploring website, i found this MF77 carriage. Does someone know more about him? The interior is strange..


Let's see if I can guess at it...

The MF 77 cab pictured above must be a prototype used for the ongoing refurbishment. If you notice how the handrails in the center of the train & the ceiling are strikingly similar to each other.

In other words, the RATP probably used this spare cab as a "workshop" to base the refurbishment on. They redid the seats, added the handrails, etc and probably were astonished, "HEY! LET'S USE THIS DESIGN FOR THE REFURBISHED TRAINS!"

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It looks like there are still a lot of Spragues:
It's possible there may be tons more Spraugue then I thought hiding in the old tunnels.

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This MF67 looks strange in some way:
Now this, I can't explain, other than it may have been a training train at one time. What I would like to know is......does it even still run in the system? Even as a training train?[/quote]

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And very special Zebulon:
http://sleepycity.net/1491.jpg
That link appears to be dead.

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The website, I think I have been to before. And it talks quite a bit about the metro, including the "dead" & "unused" stations like Croix Rouge & Haxo.
http://sleepycity.net/posts/252/Demo...he-Paris-Metro


Perhaps someday...Haxo will FINALLY be put to good use.

An article on the Porte Molitor "unused" station.
http://sleepycity.net/posts/246/Moli...ng-of-Stations

And there is more on the site too, this is the main portal.
http://sleepycity.net/


Old Porte Maillot Station: Future MP 05 depot

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 11:24 AM   #2852
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Let's see if I can guess at it...
The MF 77 cab pictured above must be a prototype used for the ongoing refurbishment. If you notice how the handrails in the center of the train & the ceiling are strikingly similar to each other.

In other words, the RATP probably used this spare cab as a "workshop" to base the refurbishment on. They redid the seats, added the handrails, etc and probably were astonished, "HEY! LET'S USE THIS DESIGN FOR THE REFURBISHED TRAINS!"
That's it.

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It's possible there may be tons more Spraugue then I thought hiding in the old tunnels.
There are a lot of things in Paris metro tunnels, I not even sure if the RATP is aware of all the things abandoned in tunnels.

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Now this, I can't explain, other than it may have been a training train at one time. What I would like to know is......does it even still run in the system? Even as a training train?
This is a training train at the unused platform and loop of Gare du Nord. The former terminal station of the line 5.
Now this station and tunnels around are used to driver trainning.



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And very special Zebulon:
http://sleepycity.net/1491.jpg
That link appears to be dead.
Zébulon is a MF67 in stainless steel.
Unfortunately it was scrapped, few month ago.



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I had no idea so many free dailies bomb Paris's metro. Heck, I don't know about Paris's but I've no idea why we Montrealers even bother calling the free dailies "newspapers", because (just the other day) the last news story fell on Page 13, what with the remaining three dozen pages devoted to Hollywood crap, fly-by-night training institutes, etc. I'd say transit operating authorities bear no right to have them so freely available; before the advent of the free dailies, few people chucked their newspapers aside.

Do the free dailies there ever jam the platform edge doors? (How about other cities'?)
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I never seen a platform doors obstructed by newspapers.
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Simulation of a Santiago Metro NS 93 train traveling on Line 1 (MSTS).

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Old February 7th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #2856
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Some new videos of the Paris metro system:

First my longest video: a trackvideo/cabview of Line 1 from La Défense to Château de Vincennis filmed from a MP05 (the #501)


An "old" MP89 arriving at Charles de Gaulle - Étoile:


A MP05 waiting on a MP89 at La Défense terminus:


People of Siemens filming for a video about the modernising of line 1


And the last one for this moment; MP59 and MP89 stock at Porte d'Orleans boucle/terminus.
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Some new videos of the Paris metro system:

First my longest video: a trackvideo/cabview of Line 1 from La Défense to Château de Vincennis filmed from a MP05 (the #501)
Great videos! I have added a link to the Line 1 "entire line" video to my listing of "entire line" videos on Post #2493. We don't know yet when we will see the version from 46arthurdu.

With this said; we now only have four lines that have not been filmed from end-to-end yet:

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Avoid to quote all the videos, especially when it is the previous post.

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Another compilation video.



Line 4 will soon have 14 MP 89CC trains (#09 is next)

Line 5 now has 22 MF01 trains in operation.


Bobigny depot.



Question for those of you who may know more about the MF01. I think it was briefly discussed here that a couple of prototype trains had a semi-longitudinal seating arrangement. Did the RATP do away with this? I know that longitudinal seating is not so pleasant in Paris.

From the French Wiki. ~ http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_01

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