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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:29 AM   #2861
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RATP don't seem to like longitudinal seating.

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Given the increase in traffic and needs of new rolling stocks identified.
The STIF (Paris region transportation autority) has also decided to pursue the acquisition of a new rolling stock (rubber tired), that meets these needs:
- To increase capacity on line 14, by switching to longer trains (8 cars instead of 6 now), leading to redeploy existing trains on other lines,
- New trains on other lines, including lines 6 and 11.
http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/STIF_-_...n_du_metro.pdf

A new rubber tired rolling stock !!

There is also info about how could be this new rolling stock.
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STIF request to the RATP that the conception of these metros guarantee reliability and optimal performance upon commissioning.
Moreover, STIF is attached to the optimization of trade flows, whether for the boarding and disembarkation of passengers or inside the train.
Finally, STIF expresses expectations of high capacity, but also the scalability of equipments, including interior design and its compatibility with existing trains.
This could lead to longitunidal seating.

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The new subway should all have an information system embedded with visual and audio data on the conditions of the line (next stop, stop-over, disturbances ...) and connections with other modes of transport.

Passenger comfort will be optimized, particularly with noise reduction in
trains, comfortable seating and a temperature control (heating, cooling)
that takes into account the occupancy of the train, the irradiance level
(line 6 in particular) and the weather conditions outside.
.. and the bad new.
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Particular care will be provided for the interior and exterior of the new
subways train, which will wear a livery consistent with other vehicles in the Ile-de-France, as it was done on the RER, the Francilien, Zen T, buses and Trams.
This means a new lively with grey STIF.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #2862
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How long are the current trains of Météor? How long platforms does the line have?
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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #2863
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Current trains are 90m long and platforms are 120m long.
The new trains will use the whole lenght of the platformd. We will not see those new trains before 2018-20 and the extension of the line 14 to Orly and Pleyel

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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #2864
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90m is feable.
London has a 400m quay at greenwich.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #2865
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90m is feable.
London has a 400m quay at greenwich.
By "feable" you mean "low" using a weird translation of "faible" ?
True, Paris metro has small trains in both width and lenght.

I doubt that any London underground station has 400m long platforms, it is more about 120-150m depending the line.
Some stations may have longer platform but 400m seems too high.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #2866
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feable is the same to say weak.
It is a correct english i use
400 m is the same than an eurostar train quay lenght.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #2867
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but Eurostar is not an urban train.
Intercity trains are often longer than urban/suburban train.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #2868
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RATP don't seem to like longitudinal seating.

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The big news.



http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/STIF_-_...n_du_metro.pdf

A new rubber tired rolling stock !!

There is also info about how could be this new rolling stock.

This could lead to longitunidal seating.



.. and the bad new.

This means a new lively with grey STIF.
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Current trains are 90m long and platforms are 120m long.
The new trains will use the whole lenght of the platformd. We will not see those new trains before 2018-20 and the extension of the line 14 to Orly and Pleyel

Wow! This means the whole game plan for the metro will become radically different come 2020.

So let's say that the STIF releases the new stock (I will use MP 13 as a hypothetical reference point). Although it is anyone's guess as to how the stock will be realligned throughout the system, if by 2020/2021, both the Line 14 (north and south) extensions, plus the Line 11 extension are all finished, we could see a HUGE cascading of trains on Lines 6, 11, and 14.

Again, using the hypothetical stock MP 13, we could see a CA version placed on Line 14 with 8 car configurations. With the length of Line 14 to be significantly lengthened, my guess is that there will be around 50 to 60 of trains operating.

Any word as to when the southern extension of Line 14 could begin? Expected to be complete?

Therefore, automating Line 11 could be REALLY interesting (should it happen). All existing stations will need to be expanded to accomodate 5 and 6 car trains. I would assume that the extension will bring forth platforms that are at least 90m long (if not longer). Upon completion of both the Line 11 and Line 14 extensions, it is possible that the existing MP 89CA (21 trains) could be moved over to Line 11 to suppliment the new MP 13CA stock.

*The other option for the MP 89CA would to move them to Line 4 should that line become automated prior to Line 11 (anyone's guess). Though I cannot see Line 6 becoming fully automated in the next 30 years, I guess I can't rule out that possibility either.

The MP 05 stock that is used for Line 14 can eventually be deployed to Line 1 if needed to suppliment extensions to the east or west should they occur. -OR- they can be deployed to Line 4 or 11 should either (or both) lines become fully automated.

As for Line 6, a CC version of the MP 13 can be used to replace the MP 73.

Reposted and revised from Post 2273

By 2020, we could see this...

MP 05

MF 01

MF 67 or MF 11/12 (should the RATP put out another steel wheel rolling stock)

MP 89CC

MP 13CC

MF 77

MP 89CA, MP 13CA

MP 13CA

Line 15 could use either MF 67 or MF 11/12 stock should the bis lines be merged.

Of course, there is still a possibility that Line 11 could be converted back to steel wheel operation, but that remains anyone's guess....
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Old February 11th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #2869
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Wow! This means the whole game plan for the metro will become radically different come 2020.
With the Grand Paris Express project, Paris metro metro network will be a bit different in the next decade.



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Any word as to when the southern extension of Line 14 could begin? Expected to be complete?
The extension to Mairie de Saint Ouen (first part) will begin in 2013 and be completed in 2017.
The extension to Pleyel and Orly should be completed by 2018.

Both are not shown in the same way in the map because they don't have the same contracting authority.
STIF for Saint Lazare - mairie de Clichy and Grand Paris society for Mairie de Clichy - Pleyel and Olympiades - Orly sections.

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MF 67 or MF 11/12 (should the RATP put out another steel wheel rolling stock).
In my opinion, this is just a matter of months before we hear about the replacement of those trains.
Some rumors heard in the RATP say it could be the MF01.
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Old February 12th, 2012, 02:57 AM   #2870
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It will be interesting if the MF 01 indeed does replace the MF 67 on those lines. It would basically mean that the MF 01 will become the "new" MF 67 lol.
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Old February 12th, 2012, 03:48 PM   #2871
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Current trains are 90m long and platforms are 120m long.
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Old February 12th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #2872
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The big news.

A new rubber tired rolling stock !!
Big time extension of Line 14 made the lenghtening of the trainset pretty obvious, but that confirmation is still a good news.

Looking forward to seeing what are they coming with!
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Maybe this stock will be based off the MF 01. I have a feeling it will.


Line 14 - 8 car formation
Line 11 - 5 or 6 car formation
Line 6 - 5 car formation
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Old February 12th, 2012, 11:21 PM   #2874
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Line 11 will have 5 cars train.
The existing stations are 75m long.

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True to that Minato.

Another option would to have the MP 89CA go to Line 1 or even Line 4 (if Line 4 ends up being automated next).
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Not meaning to be the grammar police, but it's actually spelt feeble. And I'm sorry I find this quite an offensive term that really shows one's understanding of transport planning and transport logistics.

Platform length does not determine the performance of the ability for a transport system to perform. At least, it's not a sole determinant factor. We can talk about capacity, for instance, and sure Paris might not have the longest or widest trains, but Line 1 is one of the busiest lines in the world (busiest depending on what definition you use). What gives Line 1 the ability to perform under such capacity is the frequency of its system, which is what I really enjoyed in my short time in Paris.
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2 "stealth" tracks I see. Any practical purpose originally for these additional tracks?

Chatelet >> Odeon onboard an MP 89CC.


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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #2880
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2 "stealth" tracks I see. Any practical purpose originally for these additional tracks?

carto.metro

I believe that the track number 4 can be used as arrival platform.
Some trains don't use the loop to return.
We clearly see the indication "sortie" "exit" in the last picture while this part of the station is normaly used for boarding.


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