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Old April 1st, 2012, 03:07 PM   #2941
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No the refurb work (now over) was done by Ansaldobreda in a plant in Cannes (southern France).
The RATP was very upset of the result (defects, 6 years late on the planning...), it decided to not renovate the other MF77, at least not as heavy as the line 13 stock and not by the same company.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 03:34 PM   #2942
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No the refurb work (now over) was done by Ansaldobreda in a plant in Cannes (southern France).
The RATP was very upset of the result (defects, 6 years late on the planning...), it decided to not renovate the other MF77, at least not as heavy as the line 13 stock and not by the same company.
How do you know that? From Symbioz?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 03:52 PM   #2943
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Not only, the press did several articles.

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Métro parisien : AnsaldoBreda et RATP, fin de partie
08/03/2012

Ce devrait être le dernier épisode d’un long feuilleton : le 8 mars, la cour d’appel d’Aix-en-Provence a infirmé la décision du tribunal de commerce de Marseille, rendue le 23 novembre 2011, et décidé de ne pas ordonner la poursuite du contrat conclu entre la RATP et le groupe AnsaldoBreda. Il portait sur la rénovation des lignes 13, 7 et 8 du métro parisien. Comme la RATP était le seul client en France de l’usine AnsaldoBreda de Cannes (114 salariés), c’est l’un des deux sites de rénovation ferroviaire en France qui va fermer, faute de contrats. Deux jours plus tôt, l’usine avait fait partir la dernière rame de la ligne 13 du métro parisien, rénovée dans le cadre d’un contrat portant sur 66 rames. Une livraison effectuée avec près de six ans de retard, précise-t-on à la RATP. Le jugement précise d’ailleurs qu’aucun « manquement à la loyauté contractuelle ne peut être imputé à la RATP, dont la position n’a jamais été entachée d’équivoque ». La RATP rappelle qu’elle a subi « un préjudice considérable en raison de la très mauvaise exécution du marché » par AnsaldoBreda France et sa société mère italienne, AnsaldoBreda SPA. En cause, outre le retard, le niveau de fiabilité des rames, la multiplicité des malfaçons sur un matériel pour lequel la RATP n’a jamais pu obtenir les documentations techniques.
http://www.ville-rail-transports.com...-fin-de-partie
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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:24 PM   #2944
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Wow, that is a huge disappointment. I really like the refurbished trains on Line 13.

So then, we can expect that the trains on Lines 7 & 8 will probably be done on a similar scale as the MF 67 on Lines 10 & 12?
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 10:28 PM   #2945
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 11:50 PM   #2946
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The top of the MP 05 is already looking very dirty :/

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According to Symbioz, MP 89CC #28 is next to be transferred, should be in service on Line 4 by Friday.

We will then have 20 MP 89CC & 27 MP 59 trains on the line, the RATP is nearing the halfway mark!

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Old April 5th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #2947
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The top of the MP 05 is already looking very dirty
The RATP don't do a good job when it come to cleaning.
You should see how dirty are the MF01 of the line 2, the interior is ok but the exterior is more brown than green and white.
As the RATP use sticker as lively for trains, it get dirtier faster than with painting.
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Wow. That is definitely not good :/
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Old April 6th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #2949
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Old April 8th, 2012, 02:27 PM   #2950
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Something I stumbled upon the other day is a forum dedicated to Parisian transports.

http://fandemetro.forumgratuit.org/

Only problem is.......it's in French. And in order to view threads, one must register first.

By any chance, is anyone here registered on that forum also?
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No, but this forum seems new.
The number of threads and post is very low. (only one thread and one post about the RER).
I don't believe that we will see more information than on Symbioz.
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I see.

Perhaps more chatter will be about later as that forum grows and the MF01 begins to go onto Line 9.
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Old April 10th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #2955
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Why so dark & dreary?
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Old April 11th, 2012, 02:47 AM   #2957
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Dim, dingy, I can understand, I liken it to mood ambience that Francophones appear drawn to, but to be pegging dreariness to coloured, tinted lighting?
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The dark blue is the natural lighting.

Charles de Gaulle Etoile.
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Natural lighting or not, Rome still looks too dark (in my opinion), even compared to CDG above.

Mind the Gap @ Concorde. (Probably filmed prior to PSD installation).


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Old April 11th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #2960
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Intensity of illuminosity aside, what aspect about station Rome strikes you dreary?

I ask this because far too many years of fashionability have been limited (devoted) to colourless clothing, to colourless interiors of highly popular restaurants, etc., etc., such that I suspect folks of becoming overly accustomed to such dreariness.
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