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Old May 3rd, 2012, 11:31 PM   #3021
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No exactly , Chateau Landon is connected with the platforms of Gare de l'Est railway terminal, not the Gare de l'Est subway station.
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Old May 4th, 2012, 02:02 AM   #3022
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Old May 6th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #3023
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Old May 6th, 2012, 03:09 AM   #3024
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Old May 6th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #3025
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Old May 6th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #3026
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Ok, cool!

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For those of you who may frequent Wikipedia (well, the English version anyway), I have been updating the English articles relating to the Metro lines and rolling stock to be more in line with the French version. I've realized that since the English version misses a lot of what the French version contains, especially when it comes to the various lines.

For example, I have revamped the English pages relating to:



Link to the article for Line 4.

Rolling Stock - MA 51 (revision), MP 55 (new article), MP 59 (expansion), MF 67 (expansion), MP 73 (expansion), MP 89 (expansion), MF 01 (expansion), MP 05 (revision), MP ?? (new article - there is already one in the French Wiki for the proposed stock for M6 & M14)

And on a lesser extent...



wil be next for me to update/expand.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #3027
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Old May 9th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #3028
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Quite an unused space on the platform. I wonder if this area will be utilized after the expansion to 8 car trains...

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According to Symbioz, MP 89CC #21 is next to move to , should be in service by Friday.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:39 PM   #3029
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Must passengers still have to open the doors themselves, boarding or getting off a Line 1 metro, or do all its doors upon arrival? If so, how well was the transition from manual to automatic doors? If manual, then how do passengers open the platform screen doors?

It's odd that MF 67 and MF 77 are currently the only wiki-listed Paris metro stock wherein their doors are even mentioned; for the MF 67, its flip handle door opener appears to be referred to as being vis-à-vis, although "'plug' type door openers" seems to be an additional term
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Stock MF 88 & older, passengers open the doors themselves. The MP 89, MF 01, and MP 05, all doors open automatically.

The flip handle doors are on the MP 59, MF 67, and MP 73. The "plug" openers (which basically are buttons) are equipped on the MF 77 & MF 88.

I recently updated the English Wiki article to include more info from the French Wiki on the MF 67. There was one prototype series (Series B) that had an experimental "plug" type door openers similar to the MF 77.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #3031
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MP89, MF01 and MP05 have automatic doors.
For the line 13 (MF77), the platform doors are automatic but the train doors are manual.
Note that in the MF77, doors can be automatic, it happen sometimes that all doors open in the same moment without the intervention of any passengers.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:57 PM   #3032
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Thank you, you two, quite clear. I know you did, HARTride 2012, I was hoping you'd add in the bits about manual doors on the older stock unless Europeans think that distinction(?) of theirs barely worth mentioning. BTW, I have to disagree with you on this one:
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The MR 63 in Montreal sound just like the MP 59 in Paris.
The MP 59 sounds like it's been re-motored, its sound is merely similar. The hum to the MP59 traction motors used to have quite a lower pitch compared to the MR 63, plus the pitch of its tyres at speed was also lower, making me suspect their being more heavy duty than Montreal's own lot, such that their sounds were altogether distinct from one another.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #3033
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The MP 59 sounds like it's been re-motored, its sound is merely similar. The hum to the MP59 traction motors used to have quite a lower pitch compared to the MR 63, plus the pitch of its tyres at speed was also lower, making me suspect their being more heavy duty than Montreal's own lot, such that their sounds were altogether distinct from one another.
I can never tell the difference....

In comparison to trains.............

Montreal MR 63 is based on the Paris MP 59
Santiago NS 74 is based on the Paris MP 73
Santiago NS 93 is based on the Paris MP 89
Laussane MP89TL is based on the Paris MP 89
Santiago AS 02 uses the same drivetrain as the Paris MF 01
Santiago NS 04 uses a similar drivetrain as the Paris MP 05 (but the MP 05 is even quieter than the NS 04).
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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:11 AM   #3036
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AS02 and MF01 are two different rolling stock.
The AS02 is built by Alstom while the MF01 is built by Bombardier and Alstom.

Trains built after the NS93 in Santiago metro are not anymore based on Paris rolling stock.
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AS02 and MF01 are two different rolling stock.
The AS02 is built by Alstom while the MF01 is built by Bombardier and Alstom.
He said the AS02 has the same drive train (read traction package) which is true, as Alstom provide the traction package for the MF01. But yes the MF01 is being built by a consortium rather than Alstom alone.

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He said the AS02 has the same drive train (read traction package) which is true, as Alstom provide the traction package for the MF01. But yes the MF01 is being built by a consortium rather than Alstom alone.
My point exactly.

I was also making the same point with comparing the NS 04 to the MP 89 & MP 05.

The NS 04 is vastly different from the MP 89, but it uses a similar drivetrain, with the exception that it has a quieter acceleration/deceleration. The MP 05 is even more quiet than either of these trains.

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With respect to Santiago's rolling stock, and I think that I mentioned it briefly before. For their new Lines 3 & 6, they are planning both lines to be automated like Paris' Lines 1 & 14, but the passengers will have the ability to open the train doors themselves (like the MF 77). The PSDs will open automatically regardless. This is a reversal of direction that Paris has moved towards, where train doors open automatically at once.

Santiago, in recent years, has chosen a Spanish company (CAF) to supply its rolling stock rather than Alstom. I'm not sure if they will choose Alstom again in the future, but for now, CAF has contracted to supply the trains for their automated lines 3 & 6.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #3039
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MR63 is the fleet that gives jerky starts (accelerating from 0KPH to 4[?]KPH), abominally so when operated manually, whereas no MP59 ever did ... I guess the Canadian manufacturer mustn't have based the MR63 on the MP59 all that well.
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The MP 59 sounds like it's been re-motored, its sound is merely similar. The hum to the MP59 traction motors used to have quite a lower pitch compared to the MR 63, plus the pitch of its tyres at speed was also lower, making me suspect their being more heavy duty than Montreal's own lot, such that their sounds were altogether distinct from one another.
The mp59s haven't been re-motored it is the wheels that have been modified.

The high pitch sound you hear, is similar to what you can hear on the mp73s, it is actually a brush that is added under the guiding wheels (the ones that run on the side bars), and by brushing the tracks, it creates that high pitched sound.

Normally this brush is only used on lines where the rubber-tire trains run outdoors, as its helps clean the track (water, snow, dead leaf etc...).

Right now only the mp73s of line 6 and mp89/mp05 of line 1 need the brushes. The mp59 that were running on line 1 also had the brushes.

On this video you can hear the high pitch sound on mp59 from the time they were running on line 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tShb...feature=relmfu (the first part is about mf77 and second part mp59)

However the reason behind the modifications are unknown (at least i don't know).

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