PARIS | Métro

[Minato ku]

I am not aware of any special building destroyed nor any buildings damaged during the construction of the metro.
If you did ask it for the RER, I could give some answer to you but I don't have any figure for Paris metro.
Obviously there were maybe some buildings demolished but nothing notable.

About more recent incident
In 2003, the courtyard of a school collapsed due to the construction of the extension of the line 14.

[Wuppeltje]

Thanks!

Well how about the RER? If we are talking about buildings?

The RER is different from the Metro in Paris, however would you consider it a metro system?

Line 4 goes under the Île de la Cité on the Île de la Cité. Any idea how they made that part?

What do you find remarkable/interesting about the metro of Paris?

[oompaloompa]

amazing videos and pics !

[Minato ku]

Originally Posted by Wuppeltje

Thanks!
Well how about the RER? If we are talking about buildings?

I answered you in this thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...546006&page=54

Originally Posted by Wuppeltje

Line 4 goes under the Île de la Cité on the Île de la Cité. Any idea how they made that part?

Wikipedia will give you a better answer than me and with a better english.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_4
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Ledru Rollin

[Ledindondelafarce]

Originally Posted by Wuppeltje

would you consider it a metro system?

A and B lines were built in the 70's as a regional metro system.
Nowadays, I think it can easily be considered as a metro system : very high frequencies, around every 2min during rush our in the central part, usually around every 5min on branches on A line, a little bit lower on B line. Both have very high ridership, more than any other metro line in Paris ( 1 200 000 passenger per week days on A line, around 800 000 on B line). Furthermore, it is not used as a usual suburban commuter line, there are many stations where a lot of people gets off the train, and another lot of people gets on. Trains usually go from one side of Paris to the other, and serve very dense areas. I'd say A and B line are metros.

However, the situation is a bit different for C, D and E lines. E line has quite low frequencies, it will probably become like A and B lines in the future with the extension to the west. D line can not be considered as a metro, as frequencies are low as well, and as its branches serve non-urbanized areas that are not part of Paris agglomeration. Situation on C line is more complicated : frequencies are not that low on the central part, but it serves places on the countryside, and the branch to Pontoise is a bit weird, very slow and very few frequencies. I'd say C line is half metro/half commuter line. Anyway, metro or not, every line is what it is, and this only depends on which box/word we put it in.

[Minato ku]

The ridership of the RER E is not so low (over 300,000 passengers per working day) and we shouldn't forget that only half of the line is built.
When the other half will open, the traffic will double (even more according estimation) and with over 600,000 pax, it will be the third busiest RER line.

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République

[Minato ku]

TV news, the opening day of the line 14, October 15, 1998.


A short TV documentary about the line 14.
Note that it was diffused few day before the opening of the line.
Don't be surprised if trains are empty, what we see is the line during the last test.

[HARTride 2012]

Documentary on the Metro (1999)

[HARTride 2012]

La Defense - MP 05 changing directions.

[WC_EEND]

Interesting videos, both the documenary and the MP05 reversing. Also quite fun to see the bloke filming running through the train to make it to the front again in time.

[Minato ku]

Miromesnil

[HARTride 2012]

Originally Posted by WC_EEND

Interesting videos, both the documenary and the MP05 reversing. Also quite fun to see the bloke filming running through the train to make it to the front again in time.

I found that part funny. Plus an interruption in the video to hide from the MP 89 conductor.

[HARTride 2012]

Tried to post this before, but perhaps it was overlooked.

I am hearing from the Symbioz Forums that Montrouge is delayed until February/March, 2013. Can anyone confirm this and explain why?

[Minato ku]

Sorry, I can confirm it, we knew that the opening in December 2012 of Mairie de Montrouge would be hard to maintain.

[HARTride 2012]

I see. I was reading the French Wiki as well, and the dates have changed there too.

I was reading the last post on the respective thread in the Symbioz Forum. It is mentioned that there are questions raised about the structural integrity of the station. Did I interpret that correctly?

[Minato ku]

Don't worry, there is no problem about the structural integrity of the station but the work took more time than planned.
There are many old quarries under Montrouge.

[Clery]

Originally Posted by Minato ku

The ridership of the RER E is not so low (over 300,000 passengers per working day) and we shouldn't forget that only half of the line is built.
When the other half will open, the traffic will double (even more according estimation) and with over 600,000 pax, it will be the third busiest RER line.

Don't forget that, according to the current project, RER E will still keep a low frequency, even expanded wesbound. I hardly see how that's sustainable considering the crowd which will be attracted by the line but that's what has been decided.

I believe what Ledindondelafarce says is exactly spot on.

The key difference is a matter of operator :
- The operator of RER C, D and E is the SNCF, the national rail company.
- The main operator of RER A and B is the RATP, the Paris metro company (only some peripheral branches are operated by the SNCF).

Both companies don't have the same priorities :
- RATP has as priority urban transit : maximizing the mass of urban passengers.
- SNCF has as priority national rail : maximizing money coming from the TGV cash machine.

That makes a hell of a difference, as much considering investment than service in itself. SNCF will always prefer the trafic to be lower nearby Paris so that it could ensure its TGVs will arrive on time. RATP on the other side will prefer higher trafic so that it could transport larger crowds.

The way both networks are organized is very interesting in this matter. RER lines from the RATP are managed by line : RER A has its own single management, RER B has its own single management.

On the other side, RER lines from the SNCF have multiple managements : for instance the north of RER D is managed by Gare du Nord network, and the south is managed by Gare de Lyon network. Exactly the same as those managing... TGVs.

As such, SNCF operates RER trains as a gap filler between TGV trains, whereas RATP operates them exactly like it does for its metro lines.

[Minato ku]

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A little picture with two MF67, before the full withdrawal of this rolling stock on the line.

[ajw373]

Originally Posted by Clery

Don't forget that, according to the current project, RER E will still keep a low frequency, even expanded wesbound. I hardly see how that's sustainable considering the crowd which will be attracted by the line but that's what has been decided.

I believe what Ledindondelafarce says is exactly spot on.

The key difference is a matter of operator :
- The operator of RER C, D and E is the SNCF, the national rail company.
- The main operator of RER A and B is the RATP, the Paris metro company (only some peripheral branches are operated by the SNCF).

Both companies don't have the same priorities :
- RATP has as priority urban transit : maximizing the mass of urban passengers.
- SNCF has as priority national rail : maximizing money coming from the TGV cash machine.

That makes a hell of a difference, as much considering investment than service in itself. SNCF will always prefer the trafic to be lower nearby Paris so that it could ensure its TGVs will arrive on time. RATP on the other side will prefer higher trafic so that it could transport larger crowds.

The way both networks are organized is very interesting in this matter. RER lines from the RATP are managed by line : RER A has its own single management, RER B has its own single management.

On the other side, RER lines from the SNCF have multiple managements : for instance the north of RER D is managed by Gare du Nord network, and the south is managed by Gare de Lyon network. Exactly the same as those managing... TGVs.

As such, SNCF operates RER trains as a gap filler between TGV trains, whereas RATP operates them exactly like it does for its metro lines.

Very interesting argument, but am curious as to where SNCF operates RER and TGV's on the same tracks? Unless I am mistaken out of the 4 main TGV stations the tracks the TGV's use are dedicated until the start of the respective LGV's. Also the RER tracks are seperate too. So not sure how you work out that RER is a filler for TGV's on the SNCF network.

[Clery]

Originally Posted by ajw373

Very interesting argument, but am curious as to where SNCF operates RER and TGV's on the same tracks? Unless I am mistaken out of the 4 main TGV stations the tracks the TGV's use are dedicated until the start of the respective LGV's. Also the RER tracks are seperate too. So not sure how you work out that RER is a filler for TGV's on the SNCF network.

Yeah ok. That one was a bit far-fetched. I just thought that told this way it would show well the RER isn't the priority of the SNCF the way it is for the RATP. But you're right, TGV doesn't share any track with RER.

But the fact the RER is managed through Paris main terminal networks rather than as single lines does have an impact on the way the lines are operated. The RER A and B cross central Paris much faster and with a higher train frequency than RER C, D and E.