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Old August 1st, 2012, 04:29 PM   #3281
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On line 14 are they still using 90 meter long metro's? And are there any metro's at this moment longer than 90 meters?
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Old August 1st, 2012, 05:03 PM   #3282
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Yep, line 14 still has 90m long trains. No other lines have metros longer than 90m.
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Old August 1st, 2012, 07:38 PM   #3283
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This should change after 2020, when the new MP stock is introduced. They will be 120m (8-car) trains.

Line 14 will then be immersed into the Grand Paris Express.
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 01:15 PM   #3284
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Next 3 MP 89CC to

#06 - 8/29
#10 - 9/12
#11 - 9/19

From Symbioz
Symbioz is temporarily down for the moment. It should be restored soon.

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Old August 5th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #3285
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Old August 6th, 2012, 04:10 AM   #3286
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Not sure where to post this video because it is a compilation of all four of the primary Paris transit modes.



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Charles de Gaulle-Étoile - MS 61
Mouton-Duvernet >> Denfert-Rochereau - MP 89CC
Bus Line 393 - Créteil–Pointe du Lac

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Old August 7th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #3287
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Here is how I envision rolling stock around 2025.

MF 77: I would guess that by 2025, it is time to replace the MF 77, yes?

MP 89CC:

MP 89CA: ? ? ? ? ?

MF 01:
& perhaps

MP 05:

MP ??:
& possibly some to for reinforcement

totally up in the air depending what the RATP & STIF do with the rubber rails.
A revisit to this topic real quick. I've noticed that this subject is being discussed on Symbioz (http://www.symbioz.net/forum/ouragan...php?topic=5500), so I thought I'd bring up a few different scenarios.

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Scenario 1:

is extended beyond La Defense and the MP 05 from is transferred to to reinforce service.

becomes fully automated (like & by 2020.

remains as a rubber-tyred line.

becomes fully automated by 2025 (since this line already has PSDs at some stations, I would think this will be the third line that gets converted to automated operation).

The MF 01 is selected to replace all remaining MF 67 trainsets & the MF 88 (early retirement).

With Scenario 1; we can see the possibility of the following rolling stock.

MF 77: , with trains from being redistributed to either or .

MP 89CC:

MP 89CA: Could either strengthen (this I see as more likely to happen) or (this I see as less likely, as the trains would have to be shortened to 5 cars and run in CC mode. Plus the new MP stock is slated to replace the MP 73 anyways, but a CC version).

If is converted to automated service next; the MP 89CA would easily run alongside the new MP CA stock.

MF 01: (assuming that it replaces all remaining MF 67 stock and pushes early retirement of the MF 88)

MP 05: to strengthen service (especially if the line is extended).

MP (NG): CC version on and CA version on .

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Scenario 2:

is extended beyond La Defense and the MP 05 from is transferred to to reinforce service.

Automation of remains suspended.

changes over to a steel-wheel line.

becomes fully automated by 2025.

The MF 01 is selected to replace all remaining MF 67 trainsets & the MF 88 (early retirement).

With Scenario 2; we can see the possibility of the following rolling stock.

MF 77: , with trains from being redistributed to either or .

MP 89CC:

MP 89CA: Could either strengthen (this I see as more likely to happen, but if the line is not automated, they would have to run in CC mode) or (this I see as less likely, as the trains would have to be shortened to 5 cars, running in CC mode).

MF 01: (assuming that it replaces all remaining MF 67 stock and pushes early retirement of the MF 88)

MP 05: to strengthen service (especially if the line is extended).

MP (NG): CC version on and CA version on .

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Once again; it's anyone's guess at this point.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #3288
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True but I wouldn't go as far as you did in my guesses.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 02:39 AM   #3289
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Minato; I've heard (and seen from this video) that the station announcements on have changed recently. Would you happen to know why?

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Old August 9th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #3290
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Oh Jeez!

wonderful design.

I worked last month in paris and used every day the RER B Le blanc Mesnil-> châtelet with new rolling stock
+ L14 châtelet-> bibliothèque françois mitterrand

L14 is just the best in the world. Above Jubilee line in london
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Old August 9th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #3291
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The RER B rolling stock is not new. They are renovated. BTW; there is a separate thread for the RER & Suburban Rail
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Old August 9th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #3292
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ok i've edited.

But RER not new but refurbished then like entirly new
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Old August 9th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #3293
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when I was in Paris in June, I had nothing but the non-refurbed RER A and B rolling stock. Just my luck
On the plus side though, that also meant they were exactly as I remembered them (ie: fairly worn orange interior, etc) /offtopic
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Old August 9th, 2012, 03:09 PM   #3294
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Minato; I've heard (and seen from this video) that the station announcements on have changed recently. Would you happen to know why?
Someone from another forum online answered this question for me. It is simply a temporary measure. Enhancements to the ASA are taking place currently on the MP 05, as well as the MF 01 of . Surprisingly, the ASA of the MF 01 of has not been updated since the stock's inception in 2008, so the only "voice" is of a female voice in French. The enhancements will introduce French (female), English (female), and German (male).

Also; I am delighted to announce, from the same blog I got the other info from (which in-turn originated from the RATP), the MF 01 of will include the following ASA voices: French (male), English (female), Italian (male). Of course this is already in addition to the STIF livery that will likely be present on the new stock.

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On this note, I found it somewhat weird to hear "mind the gap" in the Paris métro though (it's something one typically associates with London and not Paris after all).
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On this note, I found it somewhat weird to hear "mind the gap" in the Paris métro though (it's something one typically associates with London and not Paris after all).
Mind the gap also appeared in some stations in Athens too, such as Monastiraki (Line 1).
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I wish "Mind the Gap" announcements were made for the curvy stations of the NYC Subway.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #3298
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Minato; I've heard (and seen from this video) that the station announcements on have changed recently. Would you happen to know why?
I don't know why but it is true, the older version was better.
The only real change is that the station name is only prononced one time but it is weird to hear the station name only after the "mind the gap" (in four languages).
Before for curved station, it was "station name" - "mind the gap" - "station name".
Now its is "mind the gap" - "station name".

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Someone from another forum online answered this question for me. It is simply a temporary measure.
I hope so.

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Surprisingly, the ASA of the MF 01 of has not been updated since the stock's inception in 2008, so the only "voice" is of a female voice in French. The enhancements will introduce French (female), English (female), and German (male).
I remember of one MF01 on the line 2 with the same annoncement as the MF01 on line 5.
I only heard it one time.
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could someone explain me why we have italian speaking message on L14 and M6 etoile -Nation?

nothing against italians but it is only speak in italy whereas spanish is much spoken ?!
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Because the line 14 serves Gare de Lyon and Gare de Bercy where trains from Italy arrive.
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