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Old September 9th, 2012, 04:52 AM   #3361
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While I am quite skeptical with some of the station chosen (Issy RER instead of Issy Val de Seine, the Green line stoping at Nanterre at 1 km of La Defense etc...), I don't agree with your argument.
Much of this project served already urbanised suburbs of Paris.
It will not at all double the surface of Greater Paris
This is true, however Trainrover is still not completely wrong in his point.

The Grand Paris metro project still gets really deep in the suburbs and neglects intermediary areas (inner suburbs) where there is the biggest needs for mass transit, and I believe the biggest potential for a coordinated metropolitan development.

To help everyone to understand, the project will focus in serving areas which have currently a density of 3,000 inh. per sq. km. instead of the inner suburbs which are generally above 8,000.

We've already talked about it together and I know you agree with this. The metro project tries too much to create new things from scratch (once again) instead of promoting the development of what already exists.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 08:29 AM   #3362
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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #3363
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This is true, however Trainrover is still not completely wrong in his point.

The Grand Paris metro project still gets really deep in the suburbs and neglects intermediary areas (inner suburbs) where there is the biggest needs for mass transit, and I believe the biggest potential for a coordinated metropolitan development.

To help everyone to understand, the project will focus in serving areas which have currently a density of 3,000 inh. per sq. km. instead of the inner suburbs which are generally above 8,000.
Fortunately there is the line Orange that serve the northern and eastern inner suburbs forgotten by the line red.
In the west and south the red line servec dense inner suburbs.
I saw some plans to merge the red line south and west by the orange line in the northeast and create a real circular line of inner suburbs.

This is why I talk about some change with the new government but the project as whole (build new metro line) is going to stay.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 07:03 PM   #3364
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I'm curious as to the new govt's direction will have to wait and see...
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Old September 10th, 2012, 04:42 AM   #3365
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Neat, another terminal station with 4 tracks/2 platforms.

Besides Galleni, Kiebler, & Porte de Champret (hope I spelled those station names correctly), which other Metro stations are configured in this layout?

Porte de La Villette, Porte Maillot, Porte de Charenton and Porte de Saint-Cloud
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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #3366
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I'm curious as to the new govt's direction will have to wait and see...
It seems that the new government already authorised the Southern part of the red line, between Pont de Sèvres and Noisy-Champs (33 km / 16 stations).

Here is the link of the video showing the map:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaNVS...layer_embedded

As you can see, the line will be built in an urbanised area. And to be more precised, here are some statistics of population density for every station (based on this map showing population within 1km, that is a 3.14 sq km):

- Pont de Sèvres : 12.098 inhabitants per sq km
- Issy RER : 14 327
- Issy / Clamart / Vanves : 10.188
- Montrouge : 12.098
- Bagneux : 7.004
- Arcueil Cachan : 10.188
- Villejuif : 6.049
- Louis Aragon : 9.869
- Vitry : 13.372
- Les Ardoines : 5.412
- Vert Maisons : 8.278
- Créteil : 9.551
- St Maur : 8.278
- Champigny : 7.323
- Bry Villers : 4.139
- Noisy Champs : 7.323

I could do the same for number of employees. And besides those figures, some areas, such as Les Ardoines are to be developed in the coming years (not because “woodland” but because it was former industrial land)
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Old September 10th, 2012, 03:39 PM   #3367
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Porte de La Villette, Porte Maillot, Porte de Charenton and Porte de Saint-Cloud
Should have remembered Porte Maillot. Even though the active station is contained in 2 different halls, still has 4 tracks (though one is only used for storage).

And speaking of Porte Maillot, does anyone know if the old station is being used for MP 05 maintenance now?
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Old September 10th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #3368
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Old September 10th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #3369
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Is this perhaps because St. Lazare is so busy?
The line 3 plaforms of Saint Lazare are very busy in rush hours.
Especially in direction of the west, the line 3 serves a lot of employments located in the 17th arrondissement (northwestern part of the CBD) and Levallois Perret.
Saint Lazare, westbound platform in morning rush.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 02:47 AM   #3370
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Porte de Saint-Cloud
Pte de St-Cloud station hall which originally had 5 tracks. It's AFAIK the larger (non-interchange) station hall of Paris Métro.
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Saint Lazare, westbound platform in morning rush.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #3372
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Porte de Saint-Cloud
Well not exactly, Porte de Saint Cloud has three platforms and four tracks.
HARTride 2012 asked for station with two platforms and four tracks.
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An other common style for terminal or former terminal station, three tracks and two platforms.
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This station will soon be modified for the northward extension?
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Old September 12th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #3374
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Porte de Saint Cloud has three platforms and four track.
Formerly five !
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This station will soon be modified for the northward extension?
Yes but not the platforms.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #3376
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Looks like there must've been a power cut ...
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Old September 13th, 2012, 01:04 AM   #3377
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Grand Paris Express, Red line south.

-33 km
-16 stations
-Start of the work in the end of 2013





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Hmmm, I don't remember encountering that metro station name ... oh, it's new
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Old September 14th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #3380
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This station will soon be modified for the northward extension?
It has already been modified, the northern part of line 12 (between Porte de la Chapelle and Jules Joffrin) was closed in august so the tracks and switches could be changed in order to transform Porte de la chapelle into a non terminal station.

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