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Old October 19th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #341
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It may be an error but in this map the line 14 pass at Liege station one of less used station in Paris metro network, it would be smater to pass at Place de Clichy station interchange with the .

Mairie de Clichy would become a important station with the and the wich is planned with the extention at Dock de Saint Ouen to have a station here.
I don't think the 4 will ever meet the 14 in Saint Ouen in the next future (let's say the next 30 years). It will be either the 14 OR the 4.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #342
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It could be the two, don't be so pessimistic.
With a Grand Paris, it would be easier to build these project.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 10:10 PM   #343
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The extention of the at Mairie de Saint Ouen
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It may be an error but in this map the line 14 pass at Liege station one of less used station in Paris metro network, it would be smater to pass at Place de Clichy station interchange with the .

Mairie de Clichy would become a important station with the and the wich is planned with the extention at Dock de Saint Ouen to have a station here.
Is this to relieve overcrowding on Line 13? And if built, would platform edge doors be on the stations taken over from Line 13?
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Old October 19th, 2007, 10:16 PM   #344
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It would not have common track between the line 13 and 14, no subway line have this in France. They would build news tunnel and new stations for the line 14.

But in 2008 some stations of the line 13 will have platform edge doors.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #345
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I misunderstood the map, silly me... I thought that line 14 would take over part of line 13's eastern branch, making line 13's branch shorter...

What is the purpose of this extention anyway? To relieve overcrowding?
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Old October 19th, 2007, 10:32 PM   #346
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I agreethat the map is confusing.
And the station at Liege is stupide it is one of least busy station in Paris.
Place de Clichy interchange station with the line 2 and 13.

I don't like the version, the line 14 should go further for be efficient. It would not relieve the overcrowded line 13.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 02:06 PM   #347
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Bercy station entrance
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Average station hall.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 02:11 PM   #348
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Old October 27th, 2007, 08:58 PM   #349
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Old October 27th, 2007, 10:13 PM   #350
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Which lines in Paris were constructed via cut-and-cover and which were bored using tunneling shield/TBMs/whatever?
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Old October 27th, 2007, 10:25 PM   #351
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Most lines were build in cut and cover, Espected the part under the hills (Line 7bis 11, 12) and the newest line 14.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 10:28 PM   #352
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How were the large interchange stations constructed? It must've been a complex task digging a new line from the ground when there are several lines there already...
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Old October 31st, 2007, 10:45 PM   #353
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The first lines were all planned at the same time, so it was not so complicated to add the infrastructure in the construction of the first line.
I don't know for the other.

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Old November 2nd, 2007, 02:21 PM   #354
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How were the large interchange stations constructed? It must've been a complex task digging a new line from the ground when there are several lines there already...
As told by Minato Ku, the core of the Paris metro network was already fully planned in 1898, when the city of Paris approved Bienvenüe's plan. Basically, the project consisted then of the parts of the current lines 1 to 9 strictly inside the city of Paris proper. To this should be added two lines which had been conceded by the city of Paris to another competitor: lines A and B (which are nowadays line 12 and the northern part of line 13 from Saint-Lazare).

Here is a map of the metro network in 1929. At the time, most of the network respected the 1898 plan which was nearly fully completed:




To give you an example, during construction of line 3 in 1903, the Opéra station was already thought to host later the future lines 7 and 8. As a result, a big hole has been dug under the place de l'Opéra with the crossing of the 3 lines on 3 different vertical levels being made then.

Here is a picture of Opéra station during construction of line 3 in 1903. The superior level tunnel we can see here is the one of line 3:





As a matter of fact, it is actually the construction of the main RER lines (A and B) from the 60's to the 80's which had actually been the most impressive when it goes about engineering. They've been built at a deep level with really huge stations which were then knicknamed "cathedral stations" (stations cathédrales). As they've been thought to quickly connect the largest metro hubs of the city, they had to be built underneath many metro lines.

Here is a picture of RER station "Charles de Gaulle - Etoile" in 1970 a month after its inauguration. It was then the terminus of the line and we had to wait 1977 for the western branch to be connected to the eastern branch, giving thus birth to the RER A:



Personally, I consider the RER A and B to be the most efficient lines of the whole Paris network. That's probably the main reason why I'm irritated each time I hear them described as "commuter rail", implying they are lines of an inferior category. This is exactly the opposite. They are the best lines of the network. Even though they are unfortunately victims of their success and too overcrowded.

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Old November 2nd, 2007, 03:20 PM   #355
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1898! Vous êtes terribles, vous!

So it's logic to have made those crossed-tunel construction for correspondances in many levels.

Quite amazing that 1928 map, looks a lot like today's.
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 04:06 PM   #356
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Thanks for that Metropolitan, it was very interesting!
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 07:34 PM   #357
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The Paris métro is clearly among the first in the world, along with London and NYC. It's amazing to see photos of it's construction at the turn of the last century, as well as a photo of the regional RER already in service by 1970. It is because of this that one cannot disassociate the Paris métro with Paris, just like one can't disassociate it in London and NYC. They go back long enough that every living person today who was raised in such cities can say they remember the Métro/Subway/Tube as a very young child.

It's also amazing that so many lines were planned in Paris so early. What I like about Paris' and London's systems is that although they don't have the sleak, newer stations of other major cities, they have history, as well as a taste of newer trains and stations on some lines, as well as renovations. Unfortunately, the same can't be said about NYC, inspite of their new stock of trains on some lines, since the new stock were designed to not look too different from the older (grey) trains, and certainly not about the stations. But it's all a cycle. Paris is getting new trains with new designs on some more lines, as I expect London is or will, and then they will have newer trains than sleak and newer (and awesome) systems like Madrid, Lisbon, Athens, (sorta) Washington DC, etc.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 09:29 AM   #358
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Some others projects:

Haag's project in 1881:


Eiffel's project in 1890:


First city of Paris' project in 1896:



Schematic of tracks in "Place de l'Etoile":


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If you want to discover all the details of the tracks...
http://carto.metro.free.fr/metro-paris/
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Old November 5th, 2007, 12:16 PM   #360
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Thanks Marco.
The best would be a map of Chatelt les Halle station and Saint Augustin -Haussman Saint Lazare Havre Coumartin - Auber - Opera stations

I think that it is the largest undeground "exchange" (Too big for be see like a real exchange)
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