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Old December 22nd, 2012, 02:51 PM   #3581
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In reading Symbioz last night. #6021 was the last train in service on M4 and was pulled after normal services ended Friday night/early Saturday morning.

As for the MP 89 on M1, the forums mention that there are still three in service as of Friday. Not sure what the case will be on Monday.

So although the world did not end on Friday, it did mark the end of an era for M4. The MP 59 is now only active on M11. Much of the French Wiki has already been updated with info from Symbioz and I am currently doing the same for the English Wiki.

MP 59 blue livery - 1993
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MP 59 & MP 89CC side by side @ Cite - 2012
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 03:29 AM   #3582
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Note that many of MP59 of the line 4 were the former MP59 of the line 1.
In the end of the 1990's, the RATP scrapped many of the unrefurbished MP59 of the line 4 and replaced them by the older but refurbished MP59 of the line 1.

A curious information, there is a MF01 in passenger service on the line 12, it is the number 048 of the line 5.
It is not unusual to have the MF01 in test on line 12 but it is the first time that I heard of a MF01 taking passengers on this line.
Maybe a sign that they could order MF01 for the line 12.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 03:40 AM   #3583
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I've heard of the MF 01 being tested on Line 12, but I only thought it was for something technical (maybe upgrading the signaling on the line). But now that you mention this Minato (and after reading the Line 12 Extension thread on Symbioz), maybe the RATP will have intentions to replace the stock on 10 & 12 with the MF 01....

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Old December 23rd, 2012, 10:15 AM   #3584
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Not now and not immediately for the Line 12, i suppose.
What is the exact number of train in service on the Line 12?
Is The vaugirard atelier compatible with the Mf01 stock?

However the MF01 is the better choiche, but for the Line 12 even the MP89 could be an improvement...
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 10:47 AM   #3585
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Minato mentioned it is #048 from Line 5. I think he also mentioned that rumors have been swirling around the RATP regarding this matter for a while.

If the RATP indeed decides to replace the MF 67s from Lines 10 & 12 with the MF 01, they likely would not be manufactured until after 2013/2014.

I don't even think Line 3 will need a replacement stock until after 2020, since they were just refurbished a few years ago.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 04:55 PM   #3586
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No, in fact it is €30 billion for the Grand Paris Express project but don't forget that we speak of 200 km of new infracture.

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Some other pictures of Front Populaire
This station looks awesome. but what about security ? is there some action taken to provide safety for passengers, specially after 8pm ? (new generation camera,... ) ?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 04:56 PM   #3587
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That's a very good question...
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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:26 AM   #3588
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This station looks awesome. but what about security ? is there some action taken to provide safety for passengers, specially after 8pm ? (new generation camera,... ) ?
Is the station in a dodgy area? Either way, I doubt there willl be no cameras in the station.
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Is the station in a dodgy area? Either way, I doubt there willl be no cameras in the station.
This station is situated in the north suburb (called 9-3), well,... let's say it's not the funniest place to be in Paris

I used to work several months in La Courneuve-Aubervilliers Neighborhood, not far from the new station "Front Populaire", after 8pm it was not easy to walk alone with a laptop and wearing a suit
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Old December 24th, 2012, 01:39 AM   #3590
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Uh oh...

But the subway in general isn't the safest of places either. Especially with pickpockets roaming around.
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Uh oh...

But the subway in general isn't the safest of places either. Especially with pickpockets roaming around.
Actually subway in Paris is quite safe...you just have to be more careful when you take it very late and at some suburbs (Bobigny, St-Denis, St-Ouen,..)

The dark point in Paris isn't the subway (Metro), but it is he RER and Transiliens (Suburb trains)
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It was a general statement. The Paris Metro may be safer than other subway systems, but in general...the subway isn't the safest of all places.
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This station is situated in the north suburb (called 9-3), well,... let's say it's not the funniest place to be in Paris

I used to work several months in La Courneuve-Aubervilliers Neighborhood, not far from the new station "Front Populaire", after 8pm it was not easy to walk alone with a laptop and wearing a suit
What do you mean?
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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #3594
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Front Populaire place is a former industrial area in redevelopment.
The area around doesn't seem unsafe, just empty for the moment
The station itself feels very safe.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #3595
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MP59, MF67 and MI84 at a scrapyard in Toul, France.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #3596
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Neat photos! Sad to see them go though.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #3597
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Front Populaire place is a former industrial area in redevelopment.
The area around doesn't seem unsafe, just empty for the moment
The station itself feels very safe.
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This station is situated in the north suburb (called 9-3), well,... let's say it's not the funniest place to be in Paris

I used to work several months in La Courneuve-Aubervilliers Neighborhood, not far from the new station "Front Populaire", after 8pm it was not easy to walk alone with a laptop and wearing a suit
from a political point of view...

but from a non political point of view,Paris metro appear very very comfortable and safe...
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Old December 24th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #3598
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This station is situated in the north suburb (called 9-3), well,... let's say it's not the funniest place to be in Paris
You know, most of Seine-Saint-Denis département is fine. Of course it hosts some of the most dangerous areas of Paris, but it's not like that everywhere. This kind of clichés hurt this area very badly, whenever you say you're from "le neuf trois" you get stigmatized by ignorant people. Really, this kind of generalisation should be avoid at all cost. This place is changing at an incredible pace.


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The dark point in Paris isn't the subway (Metro), but it is he RER and Transiliens (Suburb trains)
Transiliens and RER is safe if you don't play with your last iPad at 1AM.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 08:13 PM   #3599
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True, most of the Seine Saint Denis is a nice and calm place.
The majority of its inhabitants are middle class, there are even some quite wealthy areas in Seine Saint Denis.
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from a political point of view...

but from a non political point of view,Paris metro appear very very comfortable and safe...
Indeed. It's much safer than it used to be in the early 90'. I remember when the crack arrived in Paris the drug dealers used to "work" openly in stations like Strasbourg Saint Denis or Oberkampf. Now this time is over and the police and GPSR (Ratp security) successfully keeps the traffic on the surface level.
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