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Old January 3rd, 2013, 12:01 AM   #3621
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Couldn't they do some re-work on that sharp curve, to smooth it?
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 08:27 PM   #3622
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Unfortunately no.
Anyway there hasn't been any accident since then.

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Old January 4th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #3623
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Paris metro: 1,524 million (2011)
http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/RA_2011_BD-2.pdf (Page 12)

Line 12: over 380,000 daily passengers

Thank you for the info.

Was that a photo that you took? Or someone else?

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In respects to the accident at Notre Dame de Lorette...

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By the impact you means the derailment or the moment when it hit the platform ?
The train hit the platform at less than 5km/h.
The train derailed at 61.5km on the curve but the impact with the platform in station was at a much lower speed.

Only the first car was overthrown.

Basic ATO like most other line (trains accelerate and break).
The ATO wasn't working on this section and the driver drove on manual operation.
It is not the ATO that caused the accident as it wasn't working since several month on this section, it was an human error but to avoid errors drivers must do at least one manual ride per day to know their line perfectly.

Accident report
http://www.ladocumentationfrancaise....00637/0000.pdf
*So basically the ATO system was not functioning for a few months prior to this incident. The driver was operating in manual mode, but was travelling much faster than he should have while negotiating the curve and thus caused the train to derail?
*What exactly is the max allowed speed on Line 12?
**1) For much of the line?
**2) For this section in particular...any differences?

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So in reviewing my earlier post; question #3 is nearly completely answered!

Now, I just need info regarding questions 1 & 2 please.

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Originally, I was going to just have a brief summary of the extension to Front Populaire. But I then thought that the post would not be as good. Therefore, I am seeking info regarding:

1) The area around the station, Front Populaire. You had mentioned it is undergoing a redevelopment project.

2) A history of Line 12, that is not copying the Wikipedia article. From the beginnings as the Nord-Sud Line A to the present.

3) More info regarding the incident at Notre-Dame-de-Lorette. The photo you just posted looks like it was pretty serious, though there were no fatalities.

In other words, I want to make the post cover the major aspects of Line 12 as a whole, not just the recent extension. Any websites that have good info would definitely be of help. I don't want to just quote Wikipedia cause Wikipedia isn't too accurate in many cases. I also would like to have solid citations.

Thank you!
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Old January 4th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #3624
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Was that a photo that you took? Or someone else?
I took it.
It was in an exhibition about the metro in Art et Metiers museum.

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*So basically the ATO system was not functioning for a few months prior to this incident. The driver was operating in manual mode, but was travelling much faster than he should have while negotiating the curve and thus caused the train to derail?
Exactly.

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*What exactly is the max allowed speed on Line 12?
**1) For much of the line?
**2) For this section in particular...any differences?
-The max allowed speed is 70km/h on the section between Porte de la Chapelle and Front Populaire.
-I don't know for average seed limit of the line 12, I guess it is about 50km/h.
Distance between stations are quite small and there are many curves.
-In this section, the speed limit is 40 km/h and 30 km/h in the curve.
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Old January 4th, 2013, 03:56 PM   #3625
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Thank you Minato!

At this point, my question #3 is basically answered!

As for the history of M12, I found some info via Symbioz and suppose I can search around for additional info.

All I need now is some additional info regarding the area around station Front Populaire
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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #3626
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Thank you Minato!

At this point, my question #3 is basically answered!

As for the history of M12, I found some info via Symbioz and suppose I can search around for additional info.

All I need now is some additional info regarding the area around station Front Populaire
The 12 line and the glorious MF67... good job...
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Old January 5th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #3627
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When I am finished with the blog post, I will post a link to it here.

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#45 is in service on M4 as of Friday. There are now 47 MP 89CC trains in service on the line. The remaining 5 trains will remain in storage.

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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #3628
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Old January 7th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #3629
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There is still at least on MP89 on service in line 1.
I took it today in evening rush hours.

According Symbioz, driver service will end in the end of January.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #3630
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Ratp just published some interesting figures about the metro and RER like the complete list of metro stations with the number of passengers.
It's in french but it may be interesting even for non-french speakers.

http://data.blog.lemonde.fr/2013/01/...e-ses-donnees/
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Old January 9th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #3631
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I already make a post #3309 about the figure of the stations.
I also said that those figures don't include the transfer between the RATP RER and metro.
This decrease a lot the ridership of some metro station like Chatelet, Nation, Charles de Gaulle Etoile or Denfert Rochereau where most of the entry on the metro station come from the RER.

By example, I can estimate the number of entry of Nation, Charles de Gaulle, Gare de Lyon and La Defense station thanks to a PDF with the figure of the entry on the RER A station.
Those figures of the RER A include transfer from the metro unlike the Opendata figure of the RATP.
  • Nation
Nation RER had 4.20 million entries in 2011, excluding transfer from the metro.
Nation RER had 20.20 million entries in 2011 including transfer with the metro.
This means that there are 16 million people transferring from the metro to the RER.

We can believe that the number of people transferring from the RER to the metro is about the same (16 million).
Nation metro station had 9.48 million entries, excluding transfer from the RER.

9.48 million + 16 million = 25.48 million entries.
Nation enters on the top 10 of the busiest metro station

I will do the same for the other station
  • Charles de Gaulle Etoile
CDG Etoile RER excluding transfer from the metro: 9.97 million
CDG Etoile RER including transfer from the metro: 22.49 million
12.52 million transferring from the metro to the RER

CDG Etoile metro excluding transfer from the RER: 8.98 million
8.98 million + 12.52 million = 21.50 million entries
  • Gare de Lyon
Gare de Lyon RER A excluding transfer from the metro: 31.50 million
Gare de Lyon RER A including transfer from the metro: 39.05 million
7.55 million transferring from the metro to the RER.

Gare de Lyon metro excluding transfer from the RER: 34.52 million
34.52 million + 7.55 million = 42.07 million

Note that this is only the number of entry in the subway station, transfer between metro lines are obviously not included.
  • La Défense
La Defense RER excluding transfer from the metro: 29.78 million
La Defense RER including transfer from the metro: 34.60 million
4.82 million transferring fropm the metro to the RER.

La Defense metro excluding transfer from the RER: 13.85 million
13.85 million + 4.82 million = 18.67 million

I can't make estimation for Chatelet, Opera or Auber because the RER station of Chatelet les Halles and Auber are connected to several metro station nor for Denfert Rochereau because I don't have data for the RER B.

This is the number of entry that we can estimate for those stations.
  • Gare de Lyon: over 40 million
  • Nation: about 25 million
  • CDG Etoile: over 20 million
  • La Défense: about 18 million
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BBC report on the automation of .



It seems that automation is being discussed as a longer term possibility for the London Underground....
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Old January 12th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #3633
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Awesome!

And it looks like that M4 south of Vavin will close in a similar manner to that of M12 north of Jules Joffrin prior to December.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 06:09 AM   #3635
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Check out this video posted on Rendez vous avec la ligne 4 blog.
First footage of the Mairie de Mountrouge station. It shows the first test using a model train to make certain that nothing obstructs the free passage of the trains. Once all is fixed, then they will start the test with a real train.


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Old January 13th, 2013, 06:20 AM   #3636
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I believe they will start running the MP 89 in test later this month when the segment south of Vavin is temporarily closed.
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Right , in fact the article says:

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...Prochain rendez-vous : le passage d’un « vrai » train, mais encore sans voyageur, en janvier 2013, pour tester le comportement d’une rame sur la nouvelle voie.

....Upcoming events: the passage of a "real" train, but with no travelers, in January 2013, to test the behavior of a train on the new tracks.

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Réaumur–Sébastopol
Maybe the smallest entrance of the network.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #3639
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Old January 14th, 2013, 04:00 AM   #3640
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Very narrow indeed.

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EDIT: Has anyone been able to solve the mystery of the MF 01 that ran on test mode on Line 12 recently? Though we know what train # it was, I never heard anything as to why it was supposedly running with passengers.

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