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Old February 12th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #3721
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Old February 12th, 2013, 09:48 PM   #3722
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New signage


After the line 4, this is the line 14 version.
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Old February 19th, 2013, 07:52 AM   #3723
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One can now view a "virtual tour" of Mairie de Montrouge

http://www.rendezvousavecla4.fr/blog/
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Old February 19th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #3724
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This is the first time I see so detailed virtual visit for new station.
You can can really visit all the station.

About the news, still on line 4, the RATP will launch studies to build a second entrance hall at Château Rouge.
The station had 6,798,017 entries in 2011 with a very small entrance hall.
The entrance hall tends to be very crowded in saturday.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 07:16 PM   #3725
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This is the first time I see so detailed virtual visit for new station.
You can can really visit all the station.
It looks real neat, and definitely realistic. I can already visualize the MP 89 trains arriving and departing.

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About the news, still on line 4, the RATP will launch studies to build a second entrance hall at Château Rouge.
The station had 6,798,017 entries in 2011 with a very small entrance hall.
The entrance hall tends to be very crowded in saturday.
That is good to hear. I didn't realize that Château Rouge gets that busy.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 11:25 PM   #3726
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Carrefour Pleyel


From 1952 to 1976 it was the terminal station of the Saint-Denis branch of the line 13.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 03:42 PM   #3727
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The latest developments on the extension by the STIF. YES! FINALLY! WE HAVE SOME NEW STUFF!

*1st Part: http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/Deliber...ere_partie.pdf

*2nd Part: http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/Deliber...eme_partie.pdf

Some highlights

*It looks like that the project will be done all in one shot, instead of in phases. The 2nd document notates that the extension has been eagerly awaited.

*Confirmation of placement and design of stations (one of which will lie on a brief elevated section).

*Some of the existing stations will be modified. Some stations will get additional access points, and accessibility upgrades (like elevators).

*Workshop and garage facilities will be relocated to Rosny, as current facilities cannot accommodate next-generation rolling stock, let alone anything beyond 4 cars.

*# of cars will indeed increase from 4 to 5.

*Automation of the line is not likely in the near-term due to costs and operational issues. However, the STIF does not rule out automation as a longer-term project.

*Although the STIF favored conversion from rubber-tyred operation to steel-wheel operation early on, it appears that retaining rubber-tyred operation is less of a burden on the project and thus, if finalized, the MP NG will be the next rolling stock.

*41 trains of 5 cars each will be required to run the Line 11 after the extension opens, to maintain headways of 1 minute, 45 seconds, during rush hours.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 09:37 PM   #3728
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Porte d’Orléans.
New fare gates at the arrival platform (soon Montrouge bound platform).


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Old February 22nd, 2013, 12:45 AM   #3729
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 01:04 AM   #3730
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The line 1 is now entirely driverless.
There were announcements in the train saying that trains no longer follow the signaling.

Why ? Because passengers could be afraid if they see that the train run on the red light.
Now the train follows only the informations given by the others trains and the operation center.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 05:49 AM   #3731
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That's a good call by the RATP.

That means that the manual signals will be dismantled in the coming weeks/months?
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 12:23 PM   #3732
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That's a good news

Hope they could turn into driverless more sections in the near future.

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That's a good call by the RATP.

That means that the manual signals will be dismantled in the coming weeks/months?
I also wonder about it.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 01:28 PM   #3733
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I don't know.
I heard that the RATP will change the red lights into purple lights.
This is to not afraid the passengers if they see the train running on the red light, the light will be purple.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 03:15 PM   #3734
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Hope they could turn into driverless more sections in the near future.
I strongly believe that other lines will become automated in the distant future. Line 4 was supposed to be next on the list, but it is on indefinite hold due to costs.

Personally, I think Line 13 will be done next, since the RATP is gradually installing platform screen doors along each station of the line. For now, only selected stations have them, but I think eventually, all Line 13 stations will be equipped.

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I don't know.
I heard that the RATP will change the red lights into purple lights.
This is to not afraid the passengers if they see the train running on the red light, the light will be purple.
That would be interesting.

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Since it is almost certain the the MP NG will be equipped on Line 11, here's my updated prediction on rolling stock. Around 2020-2025.

*MP 89CC:

*MF 01: - 5 car trains. - 4 car trains

*MP 05:

*MP NGCA: - 8 car trains

*MP NGCC: - 5 car trains. Some reinforcement to may be provided with 6 car trains. This will be especially vital if is extended towards Mairie de St Ouen.

For , the MF 77 will probably be phased out during this time period. There will probably be a next-generation steel-wheel rolling stock going into place at that point. I strongly believe that will become fully automated. However, I question any expansion from 5 to 6 cars.

*MF NGCC:

*MF NGCA:

And finally; the MP 89CA, I have no clue. It's too hard to tell still where these trains may go. Three options persist in my opinion.

*Move the trains to to strengthen service (could be useful should the line be extended).

*Move the trains to . Not sure when automation would occur though, otherwise, the trains would have to be operated in manual mode.

*Put the trains in the scrapyard...early retirement.

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Old February 22nd, 2013, 03:46 PM   #3735
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I strongly believe that will become fully automated. However, I question any expansion from 5 to 6 cars.
I really think that it would be the best thing to do to improve line 13 after line 14 extension. It has been done for line 1 and 4 in the 60's and some platforms are already long enough (even for 7 car trains).
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That's a good thing to hear. Well let's hope it doesn't take too long for the other lines to get automated.
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I doubt that the line 13 will be expanded to 6 cars in the near future.
None of the platforms south of Invalides are long enough and msot of the ptaforms in the north are also to small.
This would means heavy work for the majority of the station.

Even if it was done in the 1960's for the line 1 and 4, today's safety standards are different and it will be costly.
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I doubt that the line 13 will be expanded to 6 cars in the near future.
None of the platforms south of Invalides are long enough and msot of the ptaforms in the north are also to small.
This would means heavy work for the majority of the station.

Even if it was done in the 1960's for the line 1 and 4, today's safety standards are different and it will be costly.
I was about to say the same thing.

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That's a good thing to hear. Well let's hope it doesn't take too long for the other lines to get automated.
Its all going to come down to costs. The Line 4 proposal for instance, has been halted indefinitely due to high costs. Plus, I'm sure there's also the problem with rolling stock, since Lines 6 & 11 are not able to accommodate the MP 89 with 6 cars.

Also, from what I saw on the BBC report (which I posted not long ago), the driver union is also an obstacle. With Line 1, the RATP was able to convince unions that the drivers would be re-assigned to other lines. There's certainly going to be an uphill battle should other lines be automated.
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 09:11 PM   #3739
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I don't know.
I heard that the RATP will change the red lights into purple lights.
This is to not afraid the passengers if they see the train running on the red light, the light will be purple.
Why doesn't RATP simply remove the light bulbs so there are no lights at all since they are not needed?
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Old February 24th, 2013, 12:32 PM   #3740
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Does anyone know exactly how many kilometers is underground from total 218 km of Paris Metro ?

My relative analysis from Wikipedia

REALLY UNDERGROUND LENGHT

01. Paris Metro - 218 km (95% underground) = 207 km underground
02. New York City Subway - 337 km (60% underground) = 202 km underground
03. London Underground - 402 km (45% underground) = 180 km underground

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