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Old November 6th, 2007, 01:20 AM   #361
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The best would be a map of Chatelt les Halle station
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Old November 6th, 2007, 04:30 PM   #362
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Thanks Marco.
The best would be a map of Châtelet les Halles station
Here is a map of Châtelet les Halles as it was in the early 80's :


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This map is taken from an 80's version of the Larousse encyclopedia. As you can see, RER D and Metro line 14 weren't built yet. Furthermore, Gare du Nord remains RER B terminus since the line hasn't yet been extended northbound.

Actually, RER D tunnels are still called in this map "SNCF" with white tunnels. It was then only a project, but the station in itself was already built to host it. On the other side, the Paris metro line 14 wasn't even planned yet. The station is currently built right below the metro line 1 station, and its tunnel gets below line 11 and then is built between line 7 and RER A tunnels at the bottom left of the picture.

There's also a motor vehicles tunnel which isn't visible on the main map but which is shown on the upper left scheme right beside Les Halles line 4 station. That tunnel is great as there's a lot of turns and entries and exits making of it a real maze where it is easy to get lost.

Anyway, when I'm there, I have the feeling that Paris is a living body and that this Châtelet-les Halles station is its heart. The metro and RER tunnels are its arteries, trains are its blood, and Parisians are its red blood cells. While waiting the subway coming, if I focus, I can even hear the heart beating... though in most of case these are generally musicians playing in the metro that I hear from far away.

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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:44 PM   #363
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TRES TRES FANTASTIQUE !!!!

Please , who can publish here some color pics about the first years of RER A and B services with the MS 61 Cars with original livery ? Many Thanks...
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Old November 6th, 2007, 07:56 PM   #364
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Thanks Metro, it is very interresting, I can imagine the M 14 station in this map since I know it very well.

Charles de Gaulle station look soo clean compared at nowadays.
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Please , who can publish here some color pics about the first years of RER A and B services with the MS 61 Cars with original livery ? Many Thanks...
The "automotrices Z" are olders than the MS 61...
These cars were built between 1939 and 1961 and were used firstly on the "ligne de Sceaux" and then for RER B services from 1970 to 1987. The MS61 have started to run on the "ligne de Sceaux" in 1967 (http://www.navily.net/matosrer.php)

In Denfert-Rochereau station (RER B). Pictures taken in 1991 during an exhibition.
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RER livery:







In 1977 in Denfert-Rochereau:



In 1985:


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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:26 AM   #366
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Thanks Metro, it is very interresting, I can imagine the M 14 station in this map since I know it very well.

Charles de Gaulle station look soo clean compared at nowadays.
Un sérieux nettoyage s'impose.... (je n'ose pas dire "au karcher"!)

Great maps Metropolitan & Marco!
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Old November 11th, 2007, 05:44 AM   #367
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Old November 12th, 2007, 01:31 AM   #368
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I have created a new thread for the RER

Paris RER Thread
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Old November 12th, 2007, 05:43 AM   #369
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I once read that a station in Paris had some kind of innovative bizarre travelator thing, does anyone know what i'm on about?!
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In 2002, the first successful high-speed walkway was installed in the Montparnasse—Bienvenüe Métro station in Paris. At first it operated at 12 km/h but too many people were falling over, so the speed was reduced to 9 km/h. It has been estimated that commuters using a walkway such as this twice a day would save 11.5 hours a year.

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Old November 12th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #371
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The only problem is that it work only on workdays and maybe the saturday.
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That's what I was talking about! Have any of you lot been on it?
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Yes a lot, it is great.
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Other picture of the MF2000.







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Other picture of the MF2000.
Pour quoi ca dit au toit "Arriere du train"??
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Because the platform of this station are longer than the train.
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I'm wondering, why has the Paris Metro altered the door arrangements? On the older trains there are four per car, but the newer ones there are three, why is this?

Also, do you know how long each car of each line is in metres?
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Also, do you know how long each car of each line is in metres?
Around 15m by car...

All informations here:
http://carto.metro.free.fr/documents...Paris.v2.0.pdf

MP59
Lines: 4 and 11
Length: 90m

MF67
Lines: 2, 3, 3bis, 5, 9, 10 and 12
Length: 74m

MP73
Lines: 6
Length: 75m

MF77
Lines: 7, 8 and 13
Length: 77m

MF88
Line: 7bis
Length: 46m

MP89
Lines: 1 and 14
Length: 90m

MF2000
Line: 2
Length: 75m

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Pour quoi ca dit au toit "Arriere du train"??
Yeah, as Minato Ku said, sometimes platforms are longer than trains, and it is to avoid people to wait in an area where the trains won't stop. This isn't strictly altruistic as these people waste a lot of time in requiring trains to stop a longer time on station since it has to wait for these people to walk to the train.

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I'm wondering, why has the Paris Metro altered the door arrangements? On the older trains there are four per car, but the newer ones there are three, why is this?
That's a question I wonder too. Generally four door per car trains appear less crowded than three door per car trains. On metro line 1, I've significantly felt the difference when the MP89's have replaced the MP59's.

I guess the point is to get both more sits per car and more room per sit. Furthermore, it's true that cars of both MP89's and MF2000 are connected to one another, allowing people to stand up there, thus creating a fourth area where people can stand up. That feature though is rather unpopular considering this part is constantly moving. As a matter of fact, that's a good thing as I personnally don't bother about this and hence in many case I can find a bit of free space there.

Anyway, the worst car to me remains the MF77 of lines 7, 8 and 13. They also have only three doors per cars but cars aren't connected to one another. Furthermore, the walls are inclined, probably to make them looks cooler, but this reduces significantly space for nothing.
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I don't agree, MF77 have a better capacity and are larger than MF 67,

We can see this fact, the ridership of the line 1 has significaly increased since the MP 89 (1997).
These look more crowded than the older MP 59 because these have more passengers.
Newer trains have less doors but these (door) are larger.
(Of course decreased the number of door is not a good thing but Paris metro cars are very small)

Anyway the best way to increase to capacity is the longitudinals seat.

MP 59


MF 67


MF 67 rebirfuced semi longitudals (Not very well photographied, for it is best interior in old rolling stock, very modern)


MF 77


MP 89



But these train have the best capacity 1
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