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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:19 AM   #3781
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It is official, the Prime Minister has even made a speech.

http://www.lesechos.fr/economie-poli...ris-544708.php
http://www.mobilicites.com/fr_actual...0_77_2396.html
http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/...d-paris_886815
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Old March 8th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #3782
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I think new lines of metro should boast much wider rolling stock.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #3783
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Today Franklin D roosevelt Line 1
i apreciate much the Line 1 100% automatic like in 14
The rolling stock is very good with screen onboards :okay





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Old March 8th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #3784
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I think new lines of metro should boast much wider rolling stock.
In fact outside the line 15, it is likely to be the oposite.
The lines 16, 17 and 18 could be light metro like the VAL.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 11:40 PM   #3785
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bigger than VAL! impossible to do like in Lille,toulouse or turin!
I think it will be a modern version of Lyon metro.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 11:58 PM   #3786
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For lines 16, 17 and 18, they speak of a lighter rolling stock.
In my opinion, it could be something like a VAL with 50m or longer train.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 09:03 AM   #3787
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That would be a waste of money. French metro trains are in fact light rail: very narrow and short. Building a line is costly and they should use the resources in a smart way.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:11 PM   #3788
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For lines 16, 17 and 18, they speak of a lighter rolling stock.
In my opinion, it could be something like a VAL with 50m or longer train.
you know that you have two types of light system.

-The original VAL concept
-The bigger one like in lyon automatic.

Impossible to run this system outside CDG airport too narrow!

@Night city dream-> rubbish! Paris is heavy system with an interesting different rolling stock. go to London and you'll see what narrow means . London underground is small and long. NYC has an ugly stock.
No city has the same potential like Paris has. go to L1, L14, L4 and the others to notice that Paris has the best system when you know that the metro is aged of +100 . The new lines will complete the offer.And i'm sure we won't have small metro but light"big" cars.
I'm pretty sure of that. Paris isn't Lille or toulouse
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Old March 9th, 2013, 01:33 PM   #3789
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That is fact. London tiny tube trains are kind of silly. But on the other hand, i wouldnt call Paris metro the best - just because its 100years old. It is actually disadvantage. when you look at all the narrow passages, stairs and kilometers of walking tunnels... plus some stations are silly close.
Anyway, the coverage in Paris is probably the best, there is no doubt.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #3790
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you know that you have two types of light system.
-The original VAL concept
-The bigger one like in lyon automatic.
Lyon metro is not a light system.
It has 2.9m wide car.
The number of cars is low but it can be doubled to 4 cars or 70m long train.

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That would be a waste of money. French metro trains are in fact light rail: very narrow and short. Building a line is costly and they should use the resources in a smart way.
The number of passengers for bypass lines in outer suburbs is not every high. Those line don't need to have big trains but tram would be slow.
Because of their high frequencies, VAL or other automatic light metro can have a quite big capacity.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 01:59 PM   #3791
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i still doubt it will be the same VAL.
it will be wider and longer.
I repeat but i can't imagine a system made for airports and medium cities running in the whole Paris region.

Ok with them when they said it will be a light system

look at taipei light metro wich is bigger than lille's one:



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Old March 9th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #3792
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I didn't say that it will be the same VAL. We don't even know if it will be a VAL or something else.
All we know is that a light metro rolling stock is planned for lines 16, 17 and 18.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #3793
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That is fact. London tiny tube trains are kind of silly. But on the other hand, i wouldnt call Paris metro the best - just because its 100years old. It is actually disadvantage. when you look at all the narrow passages, stairs and kilometers of walking tunnels... plus some stations are silly close.
+1 Anyway it is a modern system, but just a bit update to present needs. Anyway commie system like Prague or Budapest are more effective when we are talking about station's capacity. While commie systems or 60-90ies one, have large stations and large capacity per station, they don't have the coverage of Paris system, so they are useless.

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, the coverage in Paris is probably the best, there is no doubt.
That's the main point of Paris metro, the coverage but it is a light system, the heavy can be consider just 14line (capacity, depth) and RER, and maybe line 7bis or line 12 under Montmartre, but cut and cover which is generally in Paris is not a heavy system, and the capacity of station fits to light system
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If you take L14 paris has the best system.
It will be even extended.
Asians cities are so new but if you take L14 made in a city with such history you realize L14 system is the best in the world.
i don't doubt one second the same will happen with L15/16/17
It's obvious that paris is above the rest of europe when i compare London,Milan,barcelona,Madrid.
Madrid and barcelona have good systems but no one with the charm of paris latest lines.
Even the L1 is now automated.

In the future with modernisation/refurbishment of rolling stocks+stations+new lines i don't see an equivalent in Europe.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 03:22 AM   #3795
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Don't be so confident Axelferris. Madrid system is really great, especially when we consider the size of the city. To me, it's actually the best system in Europe. Very extensive and reliable.

Granted the Paris metro is really developped in the city center, but its major flaw is that lines are too short, they hardly serve the suburbs. The new Grand Paris Express lines will partially solve this but that will be in 2030. Considering offices are exclusively developped in the inner suburbs nowadays, I actually don't know how the system will hold the pressure untill then.

No really, I don't deny the Paris metro is a great system but it's far to be perfect.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 03:23 AM   #3796
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No, Paris system is perfect for Paris, the suburbs are in fact cities around Paris. It's unfair to compare Paris including its suburbs with Madrid as a city. We should compare Madrid and Paris as a city, and for this the system is more perfect in Paris than Madrid. The Paris's suburbs are in fact cities with a legal status, and that's another pair of shoes.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #3798
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Paris Métro MP 59 6075 at Hôtel de Ville by me (yes, ME), on Flickr

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Rolling stock update for

MP 89CC -

*#47 - March 15, 2013
*#50 - March 20, 2013
*#02 - March 27, 2013
*#26 - Unknown at the moment

MF 01 -

*All trains up to #093 have been delivered. #s 094, 095, & 096 remain (dates currently unknown).

MF 67 -

*Remaining trains (as of March 7, 2013) include #s: 13501, 13502, 13504, 13505, 13511, 13512, 13513, 13514, 13516, 13529, 13536. 11 trains still in circulation.

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Neat!

As much as I don't like the MP 59, it will be sad to see them go when the next generation rolling stock comes onboard.
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