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Old March 11th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #3801
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Neat!

As much as I don't like the MP 59, it will be sad to see them go when the next generation rolling stock comes onboard.
Maybe the RATP shouldn't have played around with the front style when they refurbished in the 1990s.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 01:09 AM   #3802
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The refurbished styling of the train does not bug me. It is that the trains are so hot and old.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 01:51 AM   #3803
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The MP59 will stay on line 11 until the extension, in my opinion.

In the line 4 that the section between Montparnasse and Porte d'Orleans was closed this week end and this monday because of works.
This is the last works for the extension.

The operating of the trains to Mairie de Montrouge without passenger begin tomorrow.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #3804
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, the heavy can be consider just 14line (capacity, depth) and RER, system
RER - yes, but why line 14? It's actually the same light rail standard as most of the lines of Paris metro.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #3805
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RER - yes, but why line 14? It's actually the same light rail standard as most of the lines of Paris metro.
1) depth
2) the possibility to add another 2 cars
3) The station are larger and longer than others lines.
4) medium distance between stations are longer than other and so medium velocity higher than others lines

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whato about metro-pole.net?
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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #3806
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Hey everyone,

Is anyone else here having problems seeing the M-logos from Metro-Pole? I think their site has been down for a few days now. I've also noticed that they don't update as much as they used to.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #3807
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RER - yes, but why line 14? It's actually the same light rail standard as most of the lines of Paris metro.
Wait? Paris metro is light rail standard? Can you elaborate? It seems to me to be completely grade-separated, high frequency, high passenger volume?

While I was there, I did notice the platforms and trains were rather small, but light rail??
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:32 AM   #3808
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+1 Anyway it is a modern system, but just a bit update to present needs. Anyway commie system like Prague or Budapest are more effective when we are talking about station's capacity. While commie systems or 60-90ies one, have large stations and large capacity per station, they don't have the coverage of Paris system, so they are useless.
Actually many "commie" transit relayed on heavy integration with medium capacity transit - trams, trolleybuses and buses on kind of ROW (in many socialistic countries the entire streets were kind of bus lane with minimum amount of private cars). That integration wasn't done in most effective ways, but even that way it just don't justified building such wast network, as bimodal systems (metro+traficed bus) did.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 05:16 AM   #3809
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I have got plenty of information about the first phase of the eastern extension of the line 11 (Mairie des Lilas - Rosny-Bois-Perrier) and about the line 11 as whole.
I will post it tomorrow.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #3810
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Wait? Paris metro is light rail standard? Can you elaborate? It seems to me to be completely grade-separated, high frequency, high passenger volume?

While I was there, I did notice the platforms and trains were rather small, but light rail??
Yes, I can. I don't mean overground yet there are many parts of the lines that are on bridges, line 6 is for the most part above.

But my point was in the rolling stock. It is narrow and short, just a bit bigger than a good articulated tram.

Heavy metro is like in Moscow or Chinese cities or Tokyo.

By the way, in Shanghai there's line 6 it is called light metro than part of it in the downtown is underground. Trains feature 4 cars of almost 20 m long and 2.60 m wide. Their capacity is similar to most of Paris metro trains.

Light Rail can also have high frequency and be grade-separated.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 03:34 PM   #3811
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If I'm understanding your points correctly, the reason why the Paris Metro uses the width that it does for its trains is specifically to deter mainline trains from using Metro tracks. This is mentioned in Wikipedia, which in-turn was an from excerpt from a book that described various subway systems throughout the world.

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The size of the Metro cars (and tunnels) was deliberately chosen by the City of Paris to prevent the running of French mainline trains in the Paris Metro system; the city of Paris and the nation of France had historically poor relations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Métro

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Old March 13th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #3812
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That's interesting but still it's hard to call Paris metro heavy rail.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #3813
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€26⋅5bn Grand Paris metro expansion programme confirmed

12 March 2013

FRANCE: The government is to proceed with the project to build 200 km of new metro lines by 2030 to serve the outer suburbs of the capital, Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault announced in a speech given on March 6. Following a review of the programme inherited from the Sarkozy administration, Ayrault said that the Nouveau Grand Paris programme was ‘unprecedented in its ambition and it is funded’.

The Grand Paris Express project to build a network of orbital automatic metro lines now has a budget of €26⋅5bn, and Ayrault said that construction of the various routes would be launched in parallel. The first public inquiry is due to start later this year for work to start on Line 15 from Noisy-Champs to Pont-de-Sèvres in 2015.

This route should be in service by 2020 when work would be nearing completion on a further section of Line 15 from Noisy to Le Bourget and on Line 18 from Massy-Palaiseau to Saclay. To connect with these new orbital routes Line 11 of the Paris metro network is to be extended eastwards to Noisy-Champs, while Line 14 is be extended northwards to Saint-Denis-Pleyel and to Orly south of the capital.

The Nouveau Grand Paris programme also includes €7bn to improve existing routes by 2017, which is expected to create 57 000 jobs. This will include modernisation of RER lines B, C and D, extension of metro Line 4 to Montrouge by 2013 and the opening of light rail route T8 from Saint-Denis to Épinay and Villetaneuse in 2014. Refurbishment of the major interchange at Châtelet-Les Halles is planned for 2016, followed by the extension of metro Line 14 to Mairie de Saint-Ouen in 2017 and the construction of the Clichy – Montfermeil branch of light rail route T4.

Grand Paris Express network
Line 15: Noisy-Champs – Champigny Centre – La Défense – Saint-Denis-Pleyel – Rosny-Bois-Perrier
Line 16: Noisy-Champs – Clichy-Montfermeil – Aulnay-sous-Bois – Pleyel
Line 17: Pleyel – Le Bourget – Le Mesnil Amelot
Line 18: Orly – Massy-Palaiseau – Saclay – Versailles
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/u...confirmed.html
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Old March 13th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #3814
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That's interesting but still it's hard to call Paris metro heavy rail.
But it is completely grade separated, and transports a LOT of people. You might not think it is heavy rail, but I really don't think it fits the bill of 'light rail', which are generally trams that run on streets with exclusive right of way.

Maybe you can call it 'mini metro', or 'underground tram'
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Old March 14th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #3815
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That's interesting but still it's hard to call Paris metro heavy rail.
Why do you say that? I consider measures for cars and trains in the metro of Paris are very acceptable for be a metro system.

In Mexico City we use trains based in the parisians MP-59 and MP-73, they are the MP-68 and MP-82 respectively, whose cars are two meters more longer than those of Paris, but both use the same width and the same technology. Due to demand, we use trains with 9 cars, I mean, total length 150 meters, and also trains with 6 cars, total 90 meters. Also, both Paris and Mexico City have a similar passenger demand.
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That's interesting but still it's hard to call Paris metro heavy rail.
I think you need to expand your horizons a little and worry less about pigeon holing, especially when the pigeon holes you are suggestion are not uniform around the world.

What I am saying is you may well consider, by what ever standards you are using that Paris metro is light rail. But by the standards in Europe and most of the English speaking world the Paris metro would not be even remotely considered light rail. It is a metro system, simple as that. Light rail in Europe is more or less a tram system that runs either in it's own right of way or on the road.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #3817
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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #3819
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RER - yes, but why line 14? It's actually the same light rail standard as most of the lines of Paris metro.
Gambarini has explained very well, why M14 is a heavy line.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #3820
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500,000 passengers per weekday in a 9 km line with 9 stations. I wouldn't call it a light line either.

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As I promised, information about the line 11.
In this first post, I will begin by the actual information about the line.



The line 11 opened in 1935, it is the most recent line after the 14. The last extension opened in 1937.
The WW2 has halted the farther planned extension.
The line is 6.3km long with 13 stations. This is the shortest metro line outside the bis lines.

The line 11 carries 236,000 passengers between 6 a.m and 9 p.m.
60% of the passengers are direct entrances and 40% come from interchange with other metro lines.
In 2010 the line had about 48.5 million direct entrances.

Stations by daily boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m in the line 11
For stations serving several lines, it is only the data of the line 11


Châtelet:
41,100 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
2,400 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
-11m below the ground

Hotel de Ville:
18,000 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
400 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
9m below the ground

Rambuteau:
13,100 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
430 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
8m below the ground

Art et Metiers:
10,300 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
800 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
11m below the ground

République:
42,900 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
3,100 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
15m below the ground

Goncourt:
11,800 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
1,400 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
14m below the ground

Belleville:
29,800 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
3,350 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
9m below the ground

Pyrénées:
10,200 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
1,800 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
23m below the ground

Jourdain:
11,800 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
2,150 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
21m below the ground

Place des Fêtes:
11,700 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
2,100 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
24m below the ground

Télégraphe:
7,000 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
1,250 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
26m below the ground

Porte des Lilas:
13,800 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
1,800 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
25.5m below the ground

Mairie des Lilas:
15,000 boarding between 6 a.m and 9 p.m
3,150 boarding between 8 a.m and 9 a.m
17m below the ground.

The number of boarding is the number of people who enter in the train.

More to come in the next posts. I have almost all the data about the line extension.
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