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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #3901
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I've heard many times that MP89 can't run comercially on Ligne 6, crossing of two MP89 at some points of the line could be hazardous, even if they did use it when transferring from Ligne 1 to Ligne 4.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #3902
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Minato, what is your opinion on this matter?
What a shame, we have some old rolling stocks without a replacement still planned (MF67, MF77 which would be over 40 years old for the oldest in 2020) and in the other hand, we have some still recent stocks that may be retired soon (MF88, MP89).

In my opinion, the best would be to either keep the MP89 on line 4, transfering the CA from line 14 to line 4 and converting the CC to driverless operation.
A good thing would be to open an eastern extension to Val de Fontenay on line 1 and take the extra MP05 of the line 14.
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New entrances and ticket hall in the north of the station.
Opening in mid 2014.




Other news on line 4, the stairs connecting the line 4 platforms to the line 14 in Chatelet are closed.
These accesses are being enlarging, reopening in September 2014.

The whole corridor linking the line 14 with the line 4 and the RER is under in works.
Despite having being opened in 1998, it was in pretty bad state and the access and connection were undersized for the actual traffic.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #3903
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Yes, I have seen a board few weeks ago saying that some works are to be done to create a new access between line 4 and 14 at Chatelet station. So, during the work, how do you get the connection between these 2 lines?
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Old April 17th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #3904
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Don't worry there are other ways to make the connection between the lines 4 and 14 in Châtelet-Les-Halles.
The best is to follow the connection with the line 1, then either the line 4 or 14 are close.
You can also pass thru the RER station and make the connection by Les Halles metro station.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #3905
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What a shame, we have some old rolling stocks without a replacement still planned (MF67, MF77 which would be over 40 years old for the oldest in 2020) and in the other hand, we have some still recent stocks that may be retired soon (MF88, MP89).

In my opinion, the best would be to either keep the MP89 on line 4, transfering the CA from line 14 to line 4 and converting the CC to driverless operation.
A good thing would be to open an eastern extension to Val de Fontenay on line 1 and take the extra MP05 of the line 14.
I totally agree. It would be a total shame for the MP 89 to be retired early. The MF 88, I can understand due to excessive wear and tear and high cost of maintenance. I can see the MF 88 being replaced with either the MF 01 or the next generation MF.

I also agree that the MP 89 should remain on Line 4 and modernized/refurbished for automation and Bagenux. The MP 05 from Line 14 can be used on Line 1.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #3906
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What a shame, we have some old rolling stocks without a replacement still planned (MF67, MF77 which would be over 40 years old for the oldest in 2020) and in the other hand, we have some still recent stocks that may be retired soon (MF88, MP89).

In my opinion, the best would be to either keep the MP89 on line 4, transfering the CA from line 14 to line 4 and converting the CC to driverless operation.
A good thing would be to open an eastern extension to Val de Fontenay on line 1 and take the extra MP05 of the line 14.
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So the point is:
the STIF don't wont to convert to CA the actual CC of line 4 for the automation...
And seems accepted that they will not convert the actual MP89CA on line 14 to 8 cars.


and so:
if the automation of line 4 became true we will remain with 52 MP89CC without a real destination...
The option to put these rolling stocks on line 6 is a possibility but seems a little azardous (the problem is the crossing of two MP89 at some points of the line).

a question:
but is this document now obsolete?
because it explain well the 2 above solutions and the tecnical impact to the trains.
http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/Deliber...ulant_pneu.pdf



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Lamise en œuvre du scénario 1 implique :
 Le transfert de 52 rames MP89cc de la ligne 1 versla ligne 4
 Le transfert de 7 rames MP05 de la ligne 14 versla ligne 1
 Le transfert de 21 rames MP89ca de la ligne 14 versla ligne 4
 Le transfert de 11 rames MP05 de la ligne 14 versla ligne 4
 Le transfert de 42 rames MP89cc de la ligne 4 versla ligne 6
 L’intégration etl’exploitation de 37 MPNGcc surla ligne 11
 L’intégration etl’exploitation de 72 MPNG+ca surla ligne 14
 L’intégration etl’exploitation de 20 MPNGca surla ligne 4
 L’exploitation mixte de MPNGca, MP05ca et MP89ca surla ligne 4
Lamise en œuvre du scénario 2 implique :
 Le transfert de 52 rames de MP89cc de la ligne 1 versla ligne 4
 Le transfert de 7 rames MP05 de la ligne 14 versla ligne 1
 Le transfert de 21 rames MP89ca de la ligne 14 versla ligne 6
 Le transfert de 11 rames MP05 de la ligne 14 versla ligne 6
 L’intégration etl’exploitation de 37 MPNGcc surla ligne 11
 L’intégration etl’exploitation de 72 MPNG+ca surla ligne 14
 L’intégration etl’exploitation de 10 MPNGcc surla ligne 6
 L’exploitation mixte de MPNGcc, MP89cc et MP05cc surla ligne 6
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Old April 17th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #3907
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Are the entities (RATP, SNCF, STIF) legally allowed to let's say....sell off rolling stock that isn't put to use elsewhere? Again, it would be a true shame to retire the MP 89 so early.

I was thinking in a worst-case scenario that perhaps the MP 89 could be sold off to another transit entity like Santiago....if it was legally allowed.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #3908
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Only two network could buy the MP89 of Paris metro, Santiago or Mexico and for the moment they don't need it and have other new stocks planned.

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The corridor linking the line 14 with the line 4 and the RER
Heavy works at Châtelet-les-Halles have begun.

It is where are located the stairs linking with the line 4.

They removed the covering of the wall.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #3909
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Are the entities (RATP, SNCF, STIF) legally allowed to let's say....sell off rolling stock that isn't put to use elsewhere? Again, it would be a true shame to retire the MP 89 so early.

I was thinking in a worst-case scenario that perhaps the MP 89 could be sold off to another transit entity like Santiago....if it was legally allowed.
reading the stif documens seems that the MP89CC will be converted to 5 cars and transferred to line 6 (for the automation of the line 4 they use MP05, MP89 CAand new MPNG ), with a surplus of 10 complete trains and 42 cars N.
Where do you read about the retire of the MP89?
I agree it's a true shame... it's a great rolling stock.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #3910
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We must now see how long ago the STIF docs were created.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #3911
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We must now see how long ago the STIF docs were created.
I know...!


In Italy 1 year and 2 months is a very very very long period...
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And much could have changed since then. Especially with the finalization of the Line 11 extension to Rosny and changes to the GPE.

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For Line 11, I strongly think that the RATP will keep rubber-tyred trains. I've been hearing that residents are concerned of the vibration/noise on the elevated portion. Like the Line 6, rubber-tyred material generates a lot less noise/vibration than steel-wheeled stock. Thus, they'll probably receive the MP NG.

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Around 9:30 am.
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Delivery of the MF01 for the line 5 is complete.
The last train is in Bobigny yard. It is the famous ghost MF01, the number 046.
If you don't remember the last MF01 of the line 2 was the number 045 and the first of the line 5 was the number 047.

A picture of Bobigny yard, you will not see the 046 in this picture, I used this picture just to illustrate the new.
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Hi, what's the progress with the MP59 drawings since I last made the request? Thanks.
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Delivery of the MF01 for the line 5 is complete.
The last train is in Bobigny yard. It is the famous ghost MF01, the number 046.
If you don't remember the last MF01 of the line 2 was the number 045 and the first of the line 5 was the number 047.

A picture of Bobigny yard, you will not see the 046 in this picture, I used this picture just to illustrate the new.
bobigny yard is spectacular!!!
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It sure is! And it looks great with all the MF 01!

And for those who don't know. One of the cars of #046 was damaged upon delivery and had to be rebuilt.

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I stumbled upon this on Facebook last night.

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It was an advert for the RATP made in the early 2000's.

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Hi, what's the progress with the MP59 drawings since I last made the request? Thanks.
No unfortunately the drawings that the my contact send to me are the same that those posted previously.



He said that he could have other drawings and will send those to me, if he found those.
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It was an advert for the RATP made in the early 2000's.
Oh I see, that's pretty cool! I knew it had to be a bit dated, but didn't know it was part of an ad campaign.
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