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Old September 21st, 2013, 12:26 PM   #4201
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^ it's the typical small size for a secondary exit for a station that is well served by the main exits (in this case, five large exits).
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Old September 21st, 2013, 03:12 PM   #4202
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Place Monge
An other unsual entrance of this station (for more about this station see post#3974)
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Been there many times because it's the Métro station nearest to Paris Jazz Corner. I don't got to Paris without stopping at PJC. Or is it the opposite?


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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:29 AM   #4203
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^ it's the typical small size for a secondary exit for a station that is well served by the main exits (in this case, five large exits).
More exactly six exits and the exit number 5 is made of three exits in the bus terminal of line 126, 128, 187 and 188.
Living on bus line 128, I use it a lot, less now because of the opening of Mairie de Montrouge six month ago.
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To continue with works on line 4.

Chatelet.
The direct transfer between line 4 and line 14/RER corridor has been covered on north bound platform.

Stairs were very narrow and always congested, a bigger one with escalator is under in construction.
This explains the very run down aspect of the station, the wall will be demolished.

This is how it was one year ago in October 2012, note that stair is for the two ways, people entering and people leaving.


The same is done on the south bound platform but it hidden by a construction wall.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 03:00 AM   #4204
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That mini staircase was a transfer from line 4 to line 14? God...
It must have been horrible every second of the day... no wonder they´ve cancelled it.

How is it done now, to change from line 4 to line 14, through another corridor?
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 03:27 AM   #4205
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That mini staircase was a transfer from line 4 to line 14? God...
It must have been horrible every second of the day... no wonder they´ve cancelled it.

How is it done now, to change from line 4 to line 14, through another corridor?
Not exactly cancelled because bigger transfers are under in construction.
Chatelet has numerous corridors, so it is still possible to make a transfer between lines 4 and 14 but it is not as fast as before (it is stll faster than a transfer between line 4 and line 7).

I am preparing big posts about the new line 15, I have maps of all the stations of the southern section.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 04:08 AM   #4206
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I´m waiting eagerly.

The Grand Paris plan is kind of disorientating me.
I don´t exactly know what´s in construction and what isn´t, nor what´s part of it and what isn´t and belongs to another, older plan.
For what I see, there are a number of tram extensions, but also RER, tram-train and metro.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 06:16 AM   #4207
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It could be very helpful Minato Ku.

Because I don't understand somethings very well, for example would like to now if I'm at La Défense and I need to go to CDG I would need to change of lines 3 times? Hope the answer is no.

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Old September 22nd, 2013, 06:39 AM   #4208
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The section between Saint Denis Pleyel and le Bourget will be shared between line 16 and 17, so a single change is enough.
Anyway even today only one change is needed with RER A and RER B.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 07:29 AM   #4209
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Right, I see. Thanks for the help Minato Ku.

Also something very nice about this project is that it would turn into driverless the line 11 so it will be two lines going driverless almost at the same time.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 04:10 PM   #4210
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One MF01 is on line 9. It will enter in service at the end of October.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 06:50 PM   #4211
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So one month behind what was scheduled.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 07:25 PM   #4212
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I received the info yesterday that the reason of MF 01 trains being delayed on line 9 is a problem with efficiency of greasing the rails, in addition to works not fully completed in Auteuil workshop.
MF 67 trains are still used to grease the rails in severe bends, untill the issue of greasing rails by MF 01 trains is solved.
Meantime, MF 01 trains due to run on Line 9, are "turning" on Line 5. All these trains are fitted with the new STIF livery.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 07:37 PM   #4213
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It could be very helpful Minato Ku.

Because I don't understand somethings very well, for example would like to now if I'm at La Défense and I need to go to CDG I would need to change of lines 3 times? Hope the answer is no.

Public inquiry launching for "Line 15 south" was visible in the press dated Sept 20th. This means details are available on web sites :
http://www.lignerougesud.fr/actualit...e-rouge-15-sud
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http://www.enquetepubliquelignerouge15sud.fr/
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 10:36 PM   #4214
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Line 15 South first post

The line 15 south is the south part of the new pan-shaped loop line 15 of the major Grand Paris Express project.
Grand Paris Express is the creation of new metro lines and the extension of two existing lines, note this project is not all the metro extension planned.
Most of the Grand Paris Express should open between 2020 and 2030 (minor part may open later or maybe never)

The is a map the Grand Paris Express project (parts that are planned after 2030 are dotted).


What interest us here is the south part oif line 15 between Pont de Sèvres (not visible in the previous map) and Noisy Champs.


Line 15 south characteristic
-33 km
-16 stations
-Completly underground
-Driverless
-Estimated average speed of 56 km/h
Rolling stock
-Steel train
-2x60m long with 3 or 4 cars. 120m as whole
-2.8m or 2.9m wide
-120 km/h max speed
-1,000 passengers for a 120m long train with 4 people per sq meter.

Start of construction in 2015 for an opening in the end of 2020.


Map of the line

Gare: station
Tracé du project: Line route
Site maintenance des infrastructures: Infrastructure maintenance site
Site de maintenance et de remisage du materiel roulant: Maintenance and storage site of the rolling stock.
Limite de commune: Communal limits
Limite de departement: Department limits


Distance between stations

-The largest distance between station is 5.5 km between Bry - Villiers _ Champigny and Noisy - Champs (a station between was asked by local elected)
-The lowest distance between two stations is 1 km between Bagneux M4 and Arcueil - Cachan (note that Bagneux M4 is only the project name)


Transfers with the line

An extension of the line 12 to Issy RER is planned, you can see it on the map.
On the oposite the tram T6 under in construction from Chatillion Montrouge to the southwest is not visible.


The extension of line 4 to Bagneux is visible but not the extension of line 14.
The line 15 will have a transfer with the line 14 at Villejuif institut Gustave Roussy.
The tram T7 under in construction form Villejuif Louis Aragon is not visible (opening in the end of 2013) nore the tram Porte de Choisy - Orly (T9 or T10), this line will have a transfer with the metro 15 at Vitry Centre.




Champigny Centre will be the other end of the line 15 when completed.
A new RER E is planned at Bry - Villiers - Champigny
Noisy Champs will be the eastern terminal stop of the line 11 and 16


To be continued.
Next time, we will going deeper with a closer look on the stations.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 05:26 AM   #4215
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That´s some connection!!!

When will works start in this section?

The day it gets to La Défense, RER A will be a little less saturated.
This will almost be like a RER, it won´t have as many stops as the other metro lines (line 14 excepted).
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #4216
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Old September 24th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #4217
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Right, I see. Thanks for the help Minato Ku.

Also something very nice about this project is that it would turn into driverless the line 11 so it will be two lines going driverless almost at the same time.
Yes, eventually it will become a driverless line. Something that was unclear (almost a definite "no" just a few years ago).

My prediction is that the MP 89CC from Line 4 (originally from Line 1) will be transferred to Line 11 for the last segment of their working lives, following the same path of the MP 59 that is going to be retired by 2020. Then when Line 11 goes automated, the MP 89 will likely be retired. Whether those trains are refurbished remain a huge question.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 04:24 AM   #4218
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Line 15 South second post
A closer look of the section between Pont de Sèvres and Châtillon Montrouge.

Map and depth of this section





Pont de Sèvres
The station is located 29m undergound, it will provide an interchange with the metro line 9.


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = Line 9 station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors


Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms


Quai M9 = Platforms of the line 9
Gare routière = Bus station
Accès Pole transports GPE - M9 = Main new entrance of the station (note GPE is for Grand Paris Express)
Accès Trapèze = Entrance in Trapèze district (a district in redevelopment in Boulogne Billancourt)
Quai GPE = Platforms of the line 15


Issy RER
The station is located 21m under the ground, it provides an interchange with the RER C, the station is also made in prevision of an extension of the line 12


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = RER C station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors


Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms


Gare Grand Paris Express = Station of the line 15
Batiment Gare : Main entrance building
Couloirs de correspondance = Transfer corridors
Quais RER C = RER C platforms


Fort d'Issy - Vanves - Clamart
The station is located 27m under the ground, it will provide an interchange with the Transilien N suburban railway.


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = Clamart Transilien N station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors
Bâtiment voyageurs existant = Current entrance of Clamart suburban railway station


Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms


Quais Transilien = Suburban railway platforms
Quai Grand Paris Express = Platforms of line 15


Châtillon-Montrouge
This station is located 37m under the street level, it will provide an interchange with the metro line 13 and the tram T6


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = Line 13 station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors


Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms


Gare routière = Bus station
Bâtiment Gare = Main entrance of the line 15 station
Ligne 13 = Line 13 station

To be continued.
Next time, the section between Châtillon-Montrouge and Villejuif Institut Gustave Roussy

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When will works start in this section?
In 2015.
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Thanks.
I guess we should give you more likes and all, minato_ku, but it just wouldn´t do justice.
Just:
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #4220
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Hi,

What is the tightest curve radius on line 4 and 11?
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