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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:07 PM   #4261
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I believe most of the GPE will be utilizing VAL type trains if I'm not mistaken. The exceptions would be the extensions of M11 and M14.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #4262
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You're mistaken !

Only the L18 will use a 2,08m large train, perhaps it will be a classic rubber-tyred train (with trucks' live axles) built by Alstom (Lille) or Bombardier, not necessarily a VAL.

I've conceived a MP14 a few months ago with the architecture of VAL208/NeoVAL, I will post the images soon (not rendered images, except for the bogie).
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #4263
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Hmmmmm, they've must have revised rolling stock plans along with new route numbering plan, etc. I wouldn't be surprised though, the GPE has evolved so much over the past several years (including project name changes).

I still have to wonder if the MP 14 will resemble the VAL. I believe I saw a couple renderings you found a couple months ago.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #4264
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The first GPE was all-made for rubber-tyred metros.

There are a lot of renderings in the net, and one was made by a specialist in the design (Metronomie Concept).
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #4265
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That's what I heard.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:01 PM   #4266
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It's my MP14.

There is still a lot of work in lights. One of my old renderings was better but I didn't save it . I will work my rendering in holidays
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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:02 PM   #4267
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All-longitudinal seating on the Metro is a dream lol. I think it will eventually be realized though. Good job!
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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #4268
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Thanks All-longitudinal seating is for Minato ku

The rendered bogie of my train. No trucks' live axles, but wheel hub motors. The carbon brake disc is a dream

For an emergency braking (), 100 kmh > 0 kmh : 17 meters only

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Old October 6th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #4269
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May be the wheels could stop in no more than 17 meters ...
Are you sure for the wagons , and the passengers ?? I'm not

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Old October 6th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #4270
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Big emergency braking ! ()

If not no braking noises.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #4271
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Paris Metro - MF01 and the "STIF" livery at Porte de Pantin


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Old October 8th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #4272
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Line 15 South, fifth post
Part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4

In this post, the section between Le Vert de Maisons and Saint-Maur - Créteil

Map and depth of this section



Le Vert de Maisons
This station will be located 37m under the street level, it provides an interchange with the RER D.


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = RER D station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors


Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms


Créteil l'Echat
The station of the line 15 will be 17m below the ground, there is a transfer with metro line 8.


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = Metro line 8 station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors


Bâtiment Gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms




Saint-Maur - Créteil
This station is 28m bellow the ground, this statioon will provide a transfer with the RER A.


Emprise de la Gare Grand Paris = Line 15 station
Tunnel Grand Paris = Tunnel of the line 15
Emprise du bâtiment gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Gare de Correspondance = RER A station
Cheminement de correspondance et d’accès = Transfer and access corridors


Bâtiment Gare Grand Paris = Main entrance building of the line 15 station
Quais Grand Paris = Platforms of the line 15
Circulation vertical = Lifts, escalators and stairs
Locaux technique = Technical rooms


To be continued, next time the last section between Champigny Centre and Noisy - Champs
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Old October 9th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #4273
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Some pics of the Sprague... 30 years later. For decades, it was a parisian icon... Most of the parisians have now forgotten these cars, but for me they are unforgettable. I still can remember their noise, and their smell - in fact they smelled good : wood, leather, and ozone...

(source : La Vie du Rail; credits : D. Seret ; RATP ; G. Laforgerie)

Look at the picture in the middle and especially the blonde woman : this was my favorite seat when I was a kid. The doors were powered with compressed air ; from this place i could see the piston through the window : it was made of polished and shiny brass, i believed it was gold...

(source : La Vie du Rail; credits : RATP)
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #4274
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The line that has seen the last Sprague, the line 9, will soon have its first MF 01.
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End of this month from what I read on Symbioz!
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #4276
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Old October 11th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #4277
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Right, I forgotten this one.
The idea of bypassing Montparnasse was pretty stupid.
It is true that in early 1900, Montparnasse was not an important train station like today.

The other change was this one.
I am quitte suspicious about the 90° turn at Les Halles of the former planned path.
I know this post is several month old, but i think that this change needs an explanation...

In the first project, a tunnel was to be built west to the Pont Neuf : the line would have crossed the river only one time. It was the cheapest solution.

But... The main academies (including the french academy) are located there, in a building called "Institut de France". The academicians were furious and strongly opposed this idea, because they were afraid to be disturbed by the noise of the trains...

As this was a powerful lobby, the project was dropped, and the tunnel was finally digged under the Ile de la Cité.

This detour was very costly because the line crosses the river now two times.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #4278
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This detour isn't that bad, thank to this the line 4 serves Saint-Michel and Châtelet.
Those areas much busier areas than the area around Institut de France and the Louvre.
It is true that the development in Central Paris would have been different with the former path, this part of the left bank could maybe have become much more lively than today.

At this time, the northern extension of Rue de Rennes was not yet dropped?
Because the older project for line 4 doesn't really make sense without this extension.
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At this time, the northern extension of Rue de Rennes was not yet dropped?
Because the older project for line 4 doesn't really make sense without this extension.
No it wasn't. This extension was in fact considered as very important and such a decision was never considered. But the initial route was abandoned.

As a result, the tunnel was built in a soil saturated with water... and under the ligne de Sceaux.

Bienvenüe had to imagine innovative solutions.

On the north side, several caissons were built on the banks of the river ; then they were immerged. Their lower part were filled with pressurised air and workers could excavate under them. It was an effective but dangerous solution especially because of the risk of decompression and several people died in accidents.

Near Saint Michel, the chosen solution was to freeze the ground : it became possible to dig... but only with pickaxes ! Because of this, it took four years to built this section.

I will upload some pictures soon, taken during the construction.

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Near the Pont Saint Michel. The river Seine is frozen. There's a lot of barrels on the ice : at this time, old barrels were in use to collect garbage (no plastic bags in 1900 !) ; that means, locals used the place as a dump... "Paris sera toujours Paris !"

(source: "Le métro de Paris, histoire d'hier à demain" ; credits : Agence Roger-Viollet)
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