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Old October 22nd, 2013, 05:42 PM   #4301
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 09:57 PM   #4302
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The third language is Italian like in the lines 3 and 14.
Note that Paris metro has now some announcement in Mandarin
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It seems to have a longer platform than the other stations along the line. It could probably fit a 6-car train.
Many stations on lines 8 and 9 have longer platforms.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #4303
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #4304
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Old October 27th, 2013, 05:03 AM   #4305
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Old October 27th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #4306
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I have a question for the Parisians here:

What does people with disabilities and mothers with babies do to get around in Paris?
The Paris metro doesn't seem to be very wheelchair/baby pram friendly with all those stairs and lack of lifts.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #4307
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Bus services primarily.

Many subway systems worldwide unfortunately don't provide wheelchair accessibility to all of their stations.

The only fully-accessible Metro line is Line 14.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:15 PM   #4308
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For mothers with baby carriages or ladies with heavy bags there's always someone to help when there are no lifts or rolling stairs. Disabled people in wheelchairs take the bus because buses (all? not sure) are equipped to accommodate them.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 01:17 AM   #4309
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Yes all the bus.
The RER A and B are also fully accessible.
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I have a question for the Parisians here:

What does people with disabilities and mothers with babies do to get around in Paris?
The Paris metro doesn't seem to be very wheelchair/baby pram friendly with all those stairs and lack of lifts.
Paris metro mostly opened between 1900 and 1940, it is a very big network with over 300 stations.
Transforming this network into a wheelchair friendly network will take time and will cost billions.

The priority today is more to build new lines and stations to serve better the city than rebuilding old stations (except if really needed).
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Old October 28th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #4310
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Yes all the bus.
The RER A and B are also fully accessible.

Paris metro mostly opened between 1900 and 1940, it is a very big network with over 300 stations.
Transforming this network into a wheelchair friendly network will take time and will cost billions.

The priority today is more to build new lines and stations to serve better the city than rebuilding old stations (except if really needed).
And the trains themselves are not very comfortable for weelchair...

The paris metro system has many excuses (very big and old network)...
Other european cities, with less old network has the same problems...
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Old October 28th, 2013, 02:05 PM   #4311
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And the trains themselves are not very comfortable for weelchair...
I'm surprised there are no designated spaces for wheelchairs onboard Metro trains, including the MF77R, MP89, MF01, MP05. Unless you call the sideways-facing seats as such areas.

*Note: MF77R, I refer to is the renovated MF 77 on M13.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 12:54 PM   #4312
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I think it's a weak defense saying that the Paris metro isn't wheelchair accessible, because it's so old. Many other systems in the world date back to before people even thought about making things wheelchair/baby pram accessible, yet most of them have adapted since.

I know the Paris metro isn't being properly maintained, and much of it is in a terrible state, but I don't understand why they don't make elevators from the ground level to the platforms when they renovate the stations.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #4313
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It all comes down to cost. I'm sure the RATP wants to heavily renovate certain stations and add elevators to them, but is it financially worth it?

It's the same thing when it comes to where the MP 89CC railcars will eventually go to. It's all going to come down to cost, even though they may end up going to M11 (even if its just a stopgap operation until automation/extension to Noisy Champs is done).

Speaking of the MP 89, we have an MP 89CA that paid a visit to Clignancourt. For what reason, I don't know. Maybe pre-automation testing?

These photos were posted on Symbioz





The driver controls, rarely do we ever see this on the automated railcars. I'm sure the controls are very similar on the MP 05.

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Old October 29th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #4314
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Ahhhhhhhhh! How do I get these things to be SMALLER!??? Sorry for the double post.

Oh, and on the MP 05 for M14, we now know the composition of the railcars (according to what's been posted on Symbioz).

The composition will be S1 581 RB - RB 581 N1 - N2 581 RB - RB 581 N3 - N4 RB 581 - S2 RB 581. RB. I guess the "B" indicates that this is the second order of railcars.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #4315
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I think it's a weak defense saying that the Paris metro isn't wheelchair accessible, because it's so old. Many other systems in the world date back to before people even thought about making things wheelchair/baby pram accessible, yet most of them have adapted since.
Which networks? You shouldn't look only the age but also the size. Paris metro is BIG with MANY stations.
There are very few networks with over 200 stations built before 1940, the big majority being underground.

When I look the network as old or older and of a similar size of Paris, none are fully accessible.
New York subway is not accessible, nor is London underground.

Take Madrid metro, the majority of the network was built after the 1970's and it has fewer old station yet many of the oldest station of Madrid subway are not accessible.
Even in Berlin with station much simpler than Paris metro, the whole network is not fully accessible.

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but I don't understand why they don't make elevators from the ground level to the platforms when they renovate the stations.
Because it costs a lot of money, in many case you would have to rebuild almost completely the station.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #4316
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My points exactly! Thank you Minato!
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Old November 1st, 2013, 10:03 PM   #4317
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Paris metro extension planning
This does not include the extension done for Grand Paris Express project
  • Line 4 to Bagneux
  • Line 12 to Aubervilliers
  • Line 14 to Mairie-de-Saint-Ouen
  • Line 11 to Rosny-Bois-Perrier

Before 2030
  • Line 7 to Bourget RER
  • Line 1 to Val-de-Fontenay
  • Line 10 to Ivry
  • Line 9 to Murs-à-Pêches (Montreuil)
  • Line 12 to Issy RER

After 2030
  • Line 5 to Place de Rungis (south)
  • Line 5 to Drancy (north)
  • Merge of line 7bis and line 3bis
  • Line 10 to Les Ardoines

Paris metro ridership in 2012

1,541 million (+1.12%) source
We are approaching of the peak of 1946, 2012 was the second busiest years of the network.

This is five busiest years of Paris metro.
1946: 1,598 million
2012: 1,541 million
2011: 1,524 million
1945: 1,508 million
2010: 1,506 million
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So the Line 19 plan still exists. That's good, even though it won't be done anytime soon.
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Paris metro extension planning
This does not include the extension done for Grand Paris Express project
Should Grand Paris Express be grouped with Metro or RER?
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 12:43 AM   #4320
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It is grouped with the metro.
The new lines numbered from 15 to 18.
Grand Paris Express project also includes extensions of lines 11 and 14.
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