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Old January 4th, 2014, 02:36 PM   #4461
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Would you like to compare GPE to the sluggish pace if New York's 2nd Ave Subway? Things could be far worse for Paris.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 03:27 PM   #4462
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16 years to build a 200km and a 5 line metro network is pretty quick. I don't know many cities that have built such a massive network in such a little time. Even the Paris metropolitain started in 1900 took longer to build.

The works will start very soon for the first part of line 11, 14 and 15. The rest of the network will be built in stages over the next 10 years.


Hello there !!! , well here in the Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, in the Caribbean we have been building our network since 2005 with Alstom Metropolis trains and we have completed 26 kms in eight years, although it depends on the type of soil the sites are made of....here its soft rock (limestone) so its kind of easy task for the machines...I think 200kms in sixteen years is hell fast if the money pours in always....ah, and ours will be made of 6 lines and three of those will only have approximately 3kms, the rest 14 and 16....
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Old January 4th, 2014, 04:06 PM   #4463
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Would you like to compare GPE to the sluggish pace if New York's 2nd Ave Subway? Things could be far worse for Paris.
I understand.

But the extension of line 14 north and south to relieve dysfunctional RER lines is an old old story. It should have been designated top priority along the east/west southern part of line 15. And not fall behind. Orly is a 20000000+ passengers airport with no decent public transportation access, absolutely none. 15 years for a dozen kilometers track is a bit hard to swallow, imho.

Now, this is particular story in an otherwise gigantic project. 20+ years to have it completed is fair, i think, no question.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #4464
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They want to increase the capacity of Orly airport to have 35 million passengers.
There are big project for a third terminal liking the two currents one as well as a big renovation of the whole airport.

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To come back in the metro.
In the previous 16 years, Paris metro has only built about 14 km of new track.
  • Line 4 to Mairie de Montrouge (2013)
  • Line 8 to Pointe du Lac (2011)
  • Line 12 to Front Populaire (2012)
  • Line 13 to Saint-Denis Université (1998)
  • Line 13 to Asnières - Gennevilliers - Les Courtilles (2008)
  • Line 14 Saint Lazare/Olympiades (1998/2003/2007)

For the next 16 years, it is over 230km of metro planned to open.
A huge increase of speed.
  • Line 1 to Val-de-Fontenay
  • Line 4 to Bagneux
  • Line 7 to Bourget RER
  • Line 9 to Murs-à-Pêches (Montreuil)
  • Line 10 to Ivry - Gambetta
  • Line 11 to Noisy-Champs
  • Line 12 to Aubervilliers
  • Line 12 to Issy RER
  • Line 14 to Saint-Denis Pleyel
  • Line 14 to Aéroport d’Orly
  • Line 15 Noisy-Champs / Champigny Centre
  • Line 16 Saint-Denis Pleyel / Noisy-Champs
  • Line 17 Saint-Denis Pleyel / Le Mesnil-Amelot
  • Line 18 Aéroport d’Orly / Versailles Chantiers
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Old January 4th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #4465
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Is Line 4 to Saint Ouen still on the table?
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Old January 4th, 2014, 05:06 PM   #4466
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To come back in the metro.
In the previous 16 years, Paris metro has only built about 14 km of new track.
  • Line 4 to Mairie de Montrouge (2013)
  • Line 8 to Pointe du Lac (2011)
  • Line 12 to Front Populaire (2012)
  • Line 13 to Saint-Denis Université (1998)
  • Line 13 to Asnières - Gennevilliers - Les Courtilles (2008)
  • Line 14 Saint Lazare/Olympiades (1998/2003/2007)
You are a bit unfair with the STIF's amazing achievement: it's more something like 16 km of new metro lines that have been built over the last 16 years, which on average is 1km per year .

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For the next 16 years, it is over 230km of metro planned to open.
A huge increase of speed.
  • Line 1 to Val-de-Fontenay
  • Line 4 to Bagneux
  • Line 7 to Bourget RER
  • Line 9 to Murs-à-Pêches (Montreuil)
  • Line 10 to Ivry - Gambetta
  • Line 11 to Noisy-Champs
  • Line 12 to Aubervilliers
  • Line 12 to Issy RER
  • Line 14 to Saint-Denis Pleyel
  • Line 14 to Aéroport d’Orly
  • Line 15 Noisy-Champs / Champigny Centre
  • Line 16 Saint-Denis Pleyel / Noisy-Champs
  • Line 17 Saint-Denis Pleyel / Le Mesnil-Amelot
  • Line 18 Aéroport d’Orly / Versailles Chantiers
+ Extension of RER E to the west
+ Tangentielle Nord
+ Tangentielle Sud
+ Extension of the Tangentielle Ouest
+ CDG Express
+ Barreau de Gonnesse

To be precise, the Grand Paris Express (line 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 only) is about 190km long if you consider line 18 stopping at Versailles Chantiers (which is the the most likely) and about 205 km long if the line 18 is extended to La Défense.


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Is Line 4 to Saint Ouen still on the table?
There is no plan to lengthen line 4 to the north in the short term. This won't happen before 2030 IMHO.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 11:25 PM   #4467
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Marcadet – Poissonniers
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Old January 5th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #4468
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There is no plan to lengthen line 4 to the north in the short term. This won't happen before 2030 IMHO.
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Marcadet – Poissonniers
In my opinion, there shouldn't be any of those "Vending machine" on the platforms, it takes room for passengers and also it's annoying for a proper circulation.

Imagining it in pick hours, it must be so annoying.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 08:23 PM   #4470
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I don't think the machines should be on the platforms either. I'm pretty sure NY does not have vending machines on their subway platforms.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #4471
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Exterior look for Every station


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Old January 5th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #4472
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Great but it is quite sad that those video were filmed in Sunday or in an holiday.
Some busy place during the day are empty in this video.

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In my opinion, there shouldn't be any of those "Vending machine" on the platforms, it takes room for passengers and also it's annoying for a proper circulation.
No because those vending machines are placed in place of the seats.
These do not hinder flow of passengers.
Vending machines pose less problem in tjhe plaform than in the corridors.

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Old January 7th, 2014, 02:17 PM   #4473
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My second love, the MF67 in advert livery at Port de Bagnolet.

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Exterior look for Every station

seems a little busy
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Old January 9th, 2014, 11:10 PM   #4475
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Pont-Cardinet
Some rendering for the station.

http://www.zundelcristea.com/project...4.html?lang=fr


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Old January 10th, 2014, 07:35 AM   #4476
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The station will not be so deep. I like those metro stations with natural light. Is that an architectural contest?
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Old January 11th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #4478
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The station will not be so deep. I like those metro stations with natural light. Is that an architectural contest?
I don't have any other information but we can see that there are many shared details.
Natural lights from the roof and artworks with ronds.
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Palais Royal Musée du Louvre platform of line 1 are closed for renovation works.
This is the first time a station is closed for a long period on line 1 since the automation.


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Old January 14th, 2014, 08:13 AM   #4480
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16 years to build a 200km and a 5 line metro network is pretty quick. I don't know many cities that have built such a massive network in such a little time. Even the Paris metropolitain started in 1900 took longer to build.

The works will start very soon for the first part of line 11, 14 and 15. The rest of the network will be built in stages over the next 10 years.
Much of these 200 km will run through areas that are not so built-up.
In China, there are a lot of examples with faster results with no damage to quality. And many of them have been built in very dense built-up zones, even denser than Paris Intra Muros itself.

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I don't think anyone should complain about the time it takes to build GPE. This is the most ambitious subway project since the inception of the Metro itself.
It is still too much considering that Outer Paris is not so dense as Intra Muros.
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