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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #461
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Common situation for every Moscow rush hours.

P. S. Minato Ku, I know Line 14 very well. I meant Paris metro is now modern in other way, just like in Brussels, or in some German cities.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 10:01 PM   #462
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some métro entrances are still lovely (forgot which station I took this image at):

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Old February 19th, 2008, 10:17 PM   #463
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I used to wrongly think that the Metro served Paris intramuros exclusively. How much of the metro is outside of Paris proper?
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Old February 19th, 2008, 11:28 PM   #464
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There is 54 metro stations outside Paris city proper (56 in mid 2008)
So it serve only the closest suburbs, the only exeption are the line 5, 8 and 13 wich go further in suburbs, but it is always the inner suburbs. (Creteil is the furthest suburbs where we can go with the metro).

In few years these suburbs could be integrated into the city of Paris, wich would be the best idea since Baron Haussmann extention.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #465
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In few years these suburbs could be integrated into the city of Paris, wich would be the best idea since Baron Haussmann extention.
Are there official plans to make this happen ?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 12:20 AM   #466
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There is 54 metro stations outside Paris city proper (56 in mid 2008)
So it serve only the closest suburbs, the only exeption are the line 5, 8 and 13 wich go further in suburbs, but it is always the inner suburbs. (Creteil is the furthest suburbs where we can go with the metro).

In few years these suburbs could be integrated into the city of Paris, wich would be the best idea since Baron Haussmann extention.
Which is the other one to be opened in 2008 (besides Les Courtilles)?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 01:58 AM   #467
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Asnières-Gennevilliers Les Agnettes
The same extention, the line 13 will have two new stations.

A rendering video of Asnières-Gennevilliers Les Courtilles



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P. S. Minato Ku, I know Line 14 very well. I meant Paris metro is now modern in other way, just like in Brussels, or in some German cities.
Stations like theses.

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Old February 20th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #468
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There is 54 metro stations outside Paris city proper (56 in mid 2008)
So it serve only the closest suburbs, the only exeption are the line 5, 8 and 13 wich go further in suburbs, but it is always the inner suburbs. (Creteil is the furthest suburbs where we can go with the metro).

In few years these suburbs could be integrated into the city of Paris, wich would be the best idea since Baron Haussmann extention.
Would there be any impetus to extend the metro to the new city limits should this agglomeration happen? Perhaps with longer distances between stops (as the Paris metro stops so frequently, this makes a trip slow).

Or would the RER turn more into the second metro system of Paris as many Parisians now consider it, with the "Transilien" becoming the accepted "suburban" rail of Greater Paris?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 07:31 PM   #469
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I don't think that it would change something.
Maybe more investissement for the public transportation and more new extentions.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 12:48 PM   #470
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Old February 21st, 2008, 02:15 PM   #471
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Would there be any impetus to extend the metro to the new city limits should this agglomeration happen? Perhaps with longer distances between stops (as the Paris metro stops so frequently, this makes a trip slow).

Or would the RER turn more into the second metro system of Paris as many Parisians now consider it, with the "Transilien" becoming the accepted "suburban" rail of Greater Paris?
This is likely to happen. Because actually it's much less prestigious to do anything in the suburb than in Paris. With the extension of the city limits the big projects (museum, railways, minister, office towers,..) should be more spread than today.
In the 70', when the lines 13 and 8 were extended quite far in the suburb it was planned to make "express" services at peak hours on a third track like on the IRT 7 in NYC for example. It's why there are three tracks on line 8 in Créteil. But this feature has never been used.
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How come there are suicide pits and barriers between the tracks in Line 4 stations?

And is Cite station on Line 4 deep level?
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For the barriers I don't know, for the suicide pit, The line 4 is the second busiest line.

Cite or Saint Michel are on a deep level for paris metro, compared at London underground these station are not deep.

These stations was build in cut and cover with a metallic structure.





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Very impressive these last pics. But How can they cross the Seine with this technic???
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Which is the other one to be opened in 2008 (besides Les Courtilles)?
The two names are : "Les Agnettes" and "Asnières-Gennevilliers - Les Courtilles" : some MF77 trains have the new plan. You can find it in this page :

http://www.symbioz.net/forum/message...pic=3308#71509

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http://www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan...secteur&fm=pdf
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 01:20 PM   #476
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Would there be any impetus to extend the metro to the new city limits should this agglomeration happen? Perhaps with longer distances between stops (as the Paris metro stops so frequently, this makes a trip slow).

Or would the RER turn more into the second metro system of Paris as many Parisians now consider it, with the "Transilien" becoming the accepted "suburban" rail of Greater Paris?
Well, metro construction in Paris and inner suburbs is quite expensive, and the Ile de France région, which finances most of the transportation projects with the State, actually considers tramways instead of metro extension : the best example is line 14, which was supposed to extend to Orly and never did : instead, some kind of guided bus will be built along the N7 corridor (yes, real tramways on real tracks also get too expensive)... as far as I know construction hasn't started yet - although it was supposed to last year.

Extensions of the RER network aren't considered for short term projects, except maybe the expenditure of RER E tunnel from Saint-Lazare to La Défense once the money's found...
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Very impressive these last pics. But How can they cross the Seine with this technic???
That's what I was wondering too...
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 07:52 PM   #478
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That's what I was wondering too...
They froze the ground under the Seine and, after, used the big metallic coffers you can see on the pictures : they were sunk, buried in the ground of the river, then with high pressure atmosphere, the water was evicted : after that, the workers dug.
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They froze the ground under the Seine and, after, used the big metallic coffers you can see on the pictures : they were sunk, buried in the ground of the river, then with high pressure atmosphere, the water was evicted : after that, the workers dug.
Yes, this is quite unusual: the tunnel has not been dug under the river but from the river. Unusual is also the Saint Michel station on line B, very close from there: it's the only station located under the river; the northern exit is on Cité Island and the southern exit is on the south bank.
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It seems a lot easier just to dig from under the riverbed, very interesting method indeed...
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