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Old July 21st, 2014, 09:15 PM   #4801
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Last sartuday was a very turbulent day in the metro.
The shooting between police and a robber at Grands Boulevards and the violent
confrontation between pro-Palestine manifestants and the police at Barbes.

I have walked from home to Saint-Michel to buy books and when I took the metro to get home, I saw that the the lines 2, 4 and 8 were disrupted.

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Old July 24th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #4802
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As mentioned on Symbioz, the MP 89 (both CC and CA) will undergo a very minor refurbishment. Work will commence in September and last for about 9 months. Among the improvements, refreshed seating (seating cushions replaced) and replacement of interconnecting gangways.

I'm sure the RATP does not wish to heavily invest in a massive refurbishment due to the uncertainty of where the MP 89 railcars will be going to after the automation of Line 4 and introduction of the MP 14.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #4803
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It is only about the seating, interconnecting gangways have already been replaced in many train.
The current seats have aged.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 11:43 AM   #4804
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They also should put some more handrails...
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Old July 28th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #4805
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Ourcq
The colored lighting of the "Oui Dire" style station has come back after more than two decades with the arrival of the LED at Ourcq

I don't know if this is only temporary and if more "Oui Dire" stations will have those lights.

Anyway the question of Silly_Walks was very relevant.
It was in May 2013.
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"Oui dire" style when the colored lighting was still working,
It was abandoned because of the difficulty to maintain.
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Will they bring back colored lighting, since it is so much easier to maintain now with LED lighting?
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:31 AM   #4806
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The colored lighting of the "Oui Dire" style station has come back after more than two decades with the arrival of the LED at Ourcq
I think I now understand something that you posted about one particular station on the Barcelona metro thread.
It was not exactly the same as in Ourcq M5, but it kind of reminds me of that.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:21 PM   #4807
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Minato ku,

Is there any design information available on Alstom's MP14 stock?

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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:02 AM   #4808
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Unfortunately, I have no information.
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The opening of the doors of the MF77 can be automatic (no need to push the button), I don't understand why they don't use this option by default.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #4809
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Is there any design information available on Alstom's MP14 stock?

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We don't know if Alstom is the manufacturer. There is still no letter of allotment ... I hope that when we'll know the manufacturer, we'll have some renderings of the MP14
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I would have said the same thing...too early to know anything about the MP 14.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 05:40 PM   #4811
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We don't know if Alstom is the manufacturer. There is still no letter of allotment ... I hope that when we'll know the manufacturer, we'll have some renderings of the MP14
Except for the fact that Paris thusfar always opted for Alstom. (Which is not A bad thing since most Alstom products work pretty well.)

Too bad there's no info on the metros yet..

@Hartride2012: considering the fact that RATP names their metro rollingstock after the year they where designed/built I'd say it's info-time.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 06:05 PM   #4812
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MF 01 is also manufactured by Bombardier
MF 01 is made by a consortium of several companies, Areva TA, Bombardier, Alstom, Ansaldo STS France, CETAM Automatismes.

One can not deny that equipments manufactured in France are favored.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 06:23 PM   #4813
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I agree.

I strongly believe that a consortium will be chosen that may or may not include Alstom. Remember that CAF has also been building rubber-tyred railcars for Santiago (NS 07 and NS 12).

The only thing we really know definitively about the MP 14 right now is the following:

*8-car trains to Line 14 (automated)
*Possible 6-car trains to Line 4 (automated)
*Possible 5-car trains to either Line 6 or Line 11 (manual for 6, possibly automated for 11)

We don't even know if both the 6 and 11 are getting new stock, or if it will only be the 6. We can only guess that if the Line 4 automation proceeds, that the MP 89CC will transfer to Line 11 until it is automated/extender per GPE, then the MP 14 or successor will take over from there. It seems to be the most logical flow as of right now.
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Isn't MP14 & and MF15/16stock supposed to run on all GPE and current lines that are being extended under GPE scheme?
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The GPE rolling stock hasn't been announced yet, other than the MP 14 to go to Line 14. Lines 15 through 18 will likely use totally different stock.

Nothing has been announced for an MF 67 replacement for Lines 3b, 10, and 12 yet.
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Some manufacturers build rubber-tyred railcars : Alstom, Bombardier, CAF, Siemens. Alstom may lose.

There will be 72 8-car trains for Line 14 (35 + 37 for the GPE), with an additional option including 1 to 15 trains.
Line 4 will have 20 6-car trains.
10 to 80 5-car manual trains will be ordered. If RATP buys 80 manual trains, they will go in lines 6 & 11. If line 11 is automated, these CC trains will be converted in CA trains.

Lines 15 to 18 will have wider trains than cars running in lines 1 to 14. There is still no call for tender.

The MF67 will be replaced between 2021 to 2028 according to STIF.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:27 AM   #4817
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Don't forget line 3, even if his MF 67 stock has been more heavily refurbished than others, line 3 will need new trains.

Almost all the MF 67 are now more than 40 years old.
The most recent MF 67 (built in 1976) were operated on line 5 and have been withdrawn.
Today only a few MF67 built after 1975 are still in operation on line 10.
The vast majority of the MF67 still in operation were built during the early 1970's.
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The majority of the MF67D (the MF67E will be soon replaced) have motor cars built before 1970. The MF67 on line 3 are 46 years old, the youngest 43 (except Bonbonnière which is 40 years old).

The oldest MF67 on line 10 will be 60 years old when they will be replaced.
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Don't forget line 3, even if his MF 67 stock has been more heavily refurbished than others, line 3 will need new trains.

Almost all the MF 67 are now more than 40 years old.
The most recent MF 67 (built in 1976) were operated on line 5 and have been withdrawn.
Today only a few MF67 built after 1975 are still in operation on line 10.
The vast majority of the MF67 still in operation were built during the early 1970's.
Whoops! Yes, I forgot about Line 3.

Anyhow, that's old for the MF 67. And then the question remains on whether the RATP will keep the MF 88 for a bit longer or throw them out with the MF 67s.
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The majority of the MF67D (the MF67E will be soon replaced) have motor cars built before 1970. The MF67 on line 3 are 46 years old, the youngest 43 (except Bonbonnière which is 40 years old).

The oldest MF67 on line 10 will be 60 years old when they will be replaced.
D.A.M.N, if any dutch public transport company would be able to keep any train running that long, Holland would've saved A couple of billion Euro's..
(yes, I understand they got refurbished a few times.)
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