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Old March 27th, 2015, 04:36 AM   #5141
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Well, those are certainly dramatic images.

That station must be very deep to have such a long staircase.

And here I thought that the Paris Metro was always right beneath the streets.
20/25 meters under the surface. For Paris old metro, it's deep
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Old March 27th, 2015, 05:32 AM   #5142
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The line 3bis is shorter than the Waterloo & City line and the U55.
2.37 km for the W&C, 1.8 km for the U55 and 1.3 km for the line 3bis.
ha ha. The line with the fewest stops is the longest, and the shortest is the line with the MOST stops!

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The line 3bis is the former eastern end of the line 3, it was disconnected of the rest of the line 3 when the line 3 was extended to Gallieni in 1971.

Porte de Lilas is located on Belleville hill.
Note that there are lifts going to the platforms of line 3bis. (except Gabetta, every station on line 3bis has lifts)
Somehow, I thought it was older. Is Gabetta planned to get elevators soon?

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20/25 meters under the surface. For Paris old metro, it's deep
That IS deep. Especially for Paris.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 05:48 AM   #5143
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Somehow, I thought it was older. Is Gabetta planned to get elevators soon?
The section of line 3 (now line 3bis) between Porte des Lilas and Gambetta opened in 1921.
It is the extension of the line 3 to Gallieni (the current eastern terminus) and the separation of the Porte des Lilas- Gambetta section of the rest of the line 3 that date back of 1971.

Gambetta is not at deep level, Gambetta is at the bottom of the hill.
No lift are planned.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 06:45 AM   #5144
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The section of line 3 (now line 3bis) between Porte des Lilas and Gambetta opened in 1921.
It is the extension of the line 3 to Gallieni (the current eastern terminus) and the separation of the Porte des Lilas- Gambetta section of the rest of the line 3 that date back of 1971.

Gambetta is not at deep level, Gambetta is at the bottom of the hill.
No lift are planned.
I knew that whats now 3bis opened in the '20s. I just thought that the extension that made it a shuttle was older, like from the '30s.

How will Gambetta be made handicapped accessible? They're going to need to do all of the stations eventually.
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Old March 28th, 2015, 01:27 AM   #5145
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No work of this kind is planned for now.
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Notice the difference between the old orange tiles and the new white tiles.
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Old March 28th, 2015, 06:45 AM   #5146
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Old March 29th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #5147
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Réaumur – Sébastopol
The main entry to the line 4 platforms has reopened.


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Old March 31st, 2015, 05:52 PM   #5148
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If interested, I found this :

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I don't post them on the forum, they're way too large...
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Old March 31st, 2015, 06:58 PM   #5149
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Nice information - especially about future progress on Line 11 extension
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Old March 31st, 2015, 11:10 PM   #5150
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20/25 meters under the surface. For Paris old metro, it's deep
The earliest lines were built with the cut and cover method because it was the cheapest and the quickest way to built them :
- as the metro was privately funded, costs were tightly controlled ;
- time was short because the decision to built the first line had been made in 1898 and it had to be ready for the opening of the world's fair in 1900 !

But this method has a serious drawback : as the lines follow the streets, some curves are very tight.

Later a second company called the Nord-Sud was allowed to built three lines (now the lines 12 and 13) ; its goal was to bore deeply underground to avoid this problem. These plans were shelved, however, as Paris proved to be the most unpleasant place where to dig a deep underground tunnel because the soil is saturated with water (to this day, this problem remains). As a result, the Nord-Sud used the same techniques as the CMP... and some of the tightest curves of the whole network are on the line 13

Only a few stations are deep under the surface, most of them because they are located under hills like Belleville as Minato said, Buttes-Chaumont, or Montmartre (I believe that the deepest station of the network is Abbesses, located under Montmartre).
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I had a chance to play the updated Paris Metro Simulator last night. It now includes the entire 14 Line going southbound.
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Old April 4th, 2015, 03:06 AM   #5152
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From April 3 to April 6, traffic is suspended on line 4 between Montparnasse-Bienvenue and Les Halles.
They have put stickers on the maps inside the trains.
A little look of how the line 4 work with the closure of the between Montparnasse-Bienvenue and Les Halles.
Line 4 is cut on two separate sections during this extended weekend (this Monday is a public holiday).

At Les Halles, the northbound (Porte de Clignancourt) platforms is used for departure and the southbound (Mairie de Montrouge) for arrival.


At Montparnasse – Bienvenüe, the southbound (Mairie de Montrouge) platform is closed, the nothrbound (Porte de Clignancourt) platform is used for both arrival and departure.
They put a sticker with Montrouge above the Porte de Clignancourt on the SIEL panel.
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Old April 8th, 2015, 09:07 PM   #5153
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A member of Symbioz had information from the STIF about the MP 89 CC.
MP 89 CC would be adapted and transferred on line 6.
There are no plans to deploy MP 14 on line 6.
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Recent info I assume?

I know that this is what the STIF has been leaning towards...
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MP 14? What's that?
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Old April 9th, 2015, 10:54 PM   #5156
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The new rubber-tired rolling stock that will be put in service on line 14 where it will replace the current MP 89 CA and MP 05.

We know that other lines will have MP 14 but we are not sure which lines and how many.
Line 4 with the automation of the line 4 and extension to Bagneux. The fate of the current driver operated MP 89 was unknown.
Line 11 with the extension to Rosny and Noisy Chgamps latter, the lines need 5 cars trains to replace the MP 59.
There was a question about line 6, the current MP 73 are approaching the end of their life.
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Many members of Symbioz and people of the RATP think that despite what the STIF claims, it is not possible to send the the MP 89 CC to line 6.
So the fate of the MP 89 CC stock remains unknown.
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Wasn't there talk that the trains may have suffered some additional wear and tear from the transfer to Line 4? If so, that may lead more to the trains being scrapped early. Another sign is what happened on the RER with the MS 84.
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The line 4 has a difficult profil with small distances between stations and a lot of curves unlike the line 1 which is rather straight with longer distances between stations.
Trains on line 4 spend their time accelerate and brake.
That's is why the MP 89 CC are aging faster since they have been send on line 4.

Anyway the MP 89 CC would just need a refurbishment, the main problem about line 6 is the viaducts.
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This rendering showing refurbished MP 89 CC at Rosny-Bois-Perrier (eastern extension of line 11) is maybe good prediction.
I don't see any other solution that the line 11 if they don't want to scrap the MP 89 CC.

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