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Old July 24th, 2016, 04:57 AM   #5661
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The Paris metro is very good at doing what it does - transporting people around central Paris. For that it is incredibly good and due to the density of the stations it is incredibly convenient. Due to that density it is slower than other metros with further spaced stations, however, Paris also has the RER for distant transport as well.
Conceptually, I agree. However, as much as I like the Metro and RER, I'll pick two nits:
1) The RER is great for traveling a substantial distance across Paris without stopping every 500 meters. However, there are too few RER lines crossing Paris. For example, an additional RER line connecting Gare Austerlitz to Gare Montparnasse to La Motte-Piquet Grenelle without intermediary stops and of course continuing east and west into the suburbs, perhaps taking branches from RER A.
2) With the density of stations in Paris, there should not be any need for buses clogging up the streets above. About four more well place Metro lines and Paris could eliminate all intra-city bus services, except of course night buses when the Metro is not running. That would dramatically reduce both pollution and traffic congestion and speed up public transport.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 05:11 AM   #5662
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I suspect that the buses "fill out the gaps" to a degree, providing service along routes where transfers would be needed, and perhaps the lines are already crowded.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 05:50 AM   #5663
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I suspect that the buses "fill out the gaps" to a degree, providing service along routes where transfers would be needed, and perhaps the lines are already crowded.
Yes, to an extent. That is why about four more Metro lines would be needed in order to eliminate the buses.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 07:11 AM   #5664
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Is that in addition to the current Grand Paris Express plan?

And if so, are there any plans for said lines? If so, would they then discontinue the buses?
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Old July 24th, 2016, 10:57 AM   #5665
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2) With the density of stations in Paris, there should not be any need for buses clogging up the streets above. About four more well place Metro lines and Paris could eliminate all intra-city bus services, except of course night buses when the Metro is not running. That would dramatically reduce both pollution and traffic congestion and speed up public transport.
That's a very bizarre idea. Inner Paris is actually underserved in terms of buses. Paris doesn't have a bus problem, it has a car problem.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 05:42 PM   #5666
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Plus sometimes its faster to go by bus than by metro. When you have to change 1 or 2 times - it takes much more time than one could think. I dont know why eliminate buses? They are not a problem.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 07:17 PM   #5667
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Yeah, there is a need for better surface transport, which the mayor would like to answer with inner Paris tram lines. I think that's silly, tram networks are hugely expensive to build, buses are more than sufficient.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 11:32 PM   #5668
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Is there a map of the proposed inner-Paris tram lines? Will this eventually create a cohesive tram network as opposed to the isolated mess of today?

Trams have the benefits of being higher-capacity, greener, and more attractive to tourists.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 12:49 PM   #5669
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Relax, it is the bluetram, not exactly a tram, rather an electric bus.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 01:05 PM   #5670
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^ I think the first concrete proposal was for in reality is a Translohr line? It was posted here for sure. The trajectory was supposed to be similar to that of métro line 1, along the Seine quais or something.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 05:34 PM   #5671
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Is there any plan to replace the elevated sections of Paris Metro?
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Old July 25th, 2016, 05:43 PM   #5672
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What for? They are the best part! I love those elevated structures in Paris Metro - the best in the world - in my opinion - for its beautiful architecture! Especially the bridge at Bir Hakeim stn.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 10:36 PM   #5673
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^ I think the first concrete proposal was for in reality is a Translohr line? It was posted here for sure. The trajectory was supposed to be similar to that of métro line 1, along the Seine quais or something.
About the Translohr intra-muros, I don't know. In any case the "trams" are indeed supposed to follow the banks of the Seine.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #5674
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Plus sometimes its faster to go by bus than by metro.
That's because there are not enough Metro lines.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 11:37 PM   #5675
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Well, i dont think so. There might be not enough demand for a metro line, and buses can handle it easily.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 03:01 AM   #5676
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I'm hoping Châtelet won't be completely covered in graffiti by the time it's finished.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #5677
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I don't see why, they are tagging only on raw walls (like in Oberkampf) or on the protective tarpaulins.
It's very rare to see graffiti on tiles.
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That's because there are not enough Metro lines.
Sorry for the late reply to this. The problem with the métro is not the coverage, which is fantastic, but the lack of accessibility. Entire categories of possible users are excluded to a large extent from using the métro: disabled people, old people, people with luggage, families with baby carriages, etc. There are also other categories of people like those with underground anxiety or tourists, who would rather see the city when travelling in it. One could be dismissive of tourists but in Paris' case they are absolutely essential to the city's economy, status etc.
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Old July 31st, 2016, 02:04 PM   #5679
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Is there any plan to replace the elevated sections of Paris Metro?
No. Why ? In fact, since those lines are rubber tyred, the people leaving nearby do not suffer from noise and vibrations anymore and such a replacement is not necessary. In fact, as Falubaz said, those lines are very popular.

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Yes, to an extent. That is why about four more Metro lines would be needed in order to eliminate the buses.
"Eliminate the busses" : why ? More metro lines it out of the question. There's absolutely no need for new lines inside Paris. In fact many officials consider now that building the line 14 was a costly mistake and that the line E would have been sufficient.

As Alexandru.Mircea said, Paris has a problem with cars, not with busses. Paris need even more surface public transport : between 1930 and 1980, the authorites wanted to convert the network to an all-underground sytem ; it was a disaster...

Moreover, do not forget that the soil in Paris is probably the worst place on earth to build tunnels. It is saturated with water,very unstable (the city is built over former stone quarries ; i suggest to read this Blake and Mortimer comic : Le collier de la reine ) and there's a lack of available space underground.

Suburbs to suburbs lines are now much more needed than lines inside Paris.

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For example, an additional RER line connecting Gare Austerlitz to Gare Montparnasse to La Motte-Piquet Grenelle without intermediary stops and of course continuing east and west into the suburbs, perhaps taking branches from RER A.
Such a line wouldn't really make sense. It would follow the same orentation (east-west) as 3 existing RER lines ; RER lines are essentially connections between suburban networks : such a connection already exists between Montparnasse and Austerlitz networks with the RER C.

A RER between Saint Lazare and Montparnasse would be much more interesting. This project was put indefinitely on hold because of its cost.

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Old August 1st, 2016, 05:55 PM   #5680
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Finally visiting Paris next week, but one question raises:
How excatly can you buy a Passe Navigo Decouverte from a ticket machine if you need a photo for it? Does it scan the photo somehow or can you only get it at a ticket window? I have read somewhere it will work at the machine.
If purchase is only possible at a ticket window, can you give me an estimation of how crowded they are at Gare de l'Est around 10:30 on Monday?

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