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Old May 5th, 2017, 03:15 PM   #5801
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Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr


Nouvel accès station Châtelet Les Halles - Place Marguerite de Navarre [Paris Ier] by Cochise75, sur Flickr
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Old May 5th, 2017, 03:24 PM   #5802
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An extension of line 10 is already planned (around 2027.) It is to follow the river, service the new ZAC Rive Gauche "quartier" (Chevaleret and Bibliothèque François Mitterand stations) and then the suburban city of Ivry-sur-Seine (Bruneseau-Massèna and Ivry-Gambetta stations.)



Besides crossing the river for that line would be an engineering nightmare. If it were to go underground, it would have to make a U turn underneath the river while dodging the many underground infrastructures in the vicinity (including RER C and D, line 1, line 14 and old unused metro tracks called: Voie des Finances.)
As for going overground, it would be just as difficult and would entail destroying buildings that are either brand new or still under construction
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Old May 5th, 2017, 03:25 PM   #5803
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I like how Paris doesn't shield away from modern architectural insertions even on its core. Something like this new exit would never fly in the old city cores of London or Roma.
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Old May 5th, 2017, 10:32 PM   #5804
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That canopy looks like some temporary piece of construction equipment. It doesn't match, and it looks shoddy.
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Old May 5th, 2017, 11:45 PM   #5805
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One more pic:



https://twitter.com/C_Najdovski/stat...70264675483648

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This is really useful:



https://twitter.com/B_Lambert75/stat...87677971501057
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Old May 6th, 2017, 02:00 PM   #5806
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That'd be more useful if those maps were displayed on the platforms of the subway as well so you knw where you are roughly. (or maybe they'll be put in place at some point ?)

Besides, the signage in the main RER hall is the worst ever, It makes you do complete turn over and sometimes you even have the same line indicated in two opposite ways. Can't believe they couldn't figure out a way to make this better.

It's like in gare de Lyon where they only indicate the number of the exits and their directions but not their names so you have no idea really where you should go.

Regarding the new exit, I don't get this black part between the wooden canopy and the part with the tiles (and the name of the station). It looks unfinished. Plus painting the wood in black may have looked better maybe.

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Old May 6th, 2017, 02:04 PM   #5807
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Is this station complex at Chatêlet - Les Halles bigger than the one at St. Lazare - Opera?
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Old May 6th, 2017, 05:25 PM   #5808
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That canopy looks like some temporary piece of construction equipment. It doesn't match, and it looks shoddy.
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Regarding the new exit, I don't get this black part between the wooden canopy and the part with the tiles (and the name of the station). It looks unfinished. Plus painting the wood in black may have looked better maybe.
The wood structure is in fact a temporary one. They had problems with the first project and had to change it in a very short time to open this exit/entrance.

It explains this strange black part which was for the initial project :



Officially, the first project will be build. But we don't know if it will in 1 year, 10 years, or maybe never...
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Old May 6th, 2017, 07:38 PM   #5809
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Wait a minute, I knew they had to change the design for some obscure reasons but I didn't know the wooden canopy was temporary until they finally build the original design as planned. I thought the original one was abandonned.

Yet, that doesn't explain IMO this weird black thing just below the wooden part, since they changed the top, they could have adapted what's just below.

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Old May 6th, 2017, 08:40 PM   #5810
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What exactly was the problem with the original design?
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Old May 6th, 2017, 09:20 PM   #5811
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What exactly was the problem with the original design?
Officially I think they said it wasn't meeting safety regulations, especially when it comes to fire but that sounds a little odd.

And to answer your previous question, not sure in terms of size but in terms of passengers, Châtelet-Les Halles is by far the biggest transportation hub of the city.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #5812
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Wait a minute, I knew they had to change the design for some obscure reasons but I didn't know the wooden canopy was temporary until they finally build the original design as planned. I thought the original one was abandonned.

Yet, that doesn't explain IMO this weird black thing just below the wooden part, since they changed the top, they could have adapted what's just below.
This is what the RATP said:
https://twitter.com/Asso_usagersidf/...10113546477568

Either the black part is there because it was to hard to change this structural point in a short time, or because this small wood canopy is really a temporary one and they anticipate the "final" one.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 08:42 PM   #5813
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I like how Paris doesn't shield away from modern architectural insertions even on its core. Something like this new exit would never fly in the old city cores of London or Roma.
Wuuh ?? Where is for you the old city core of London ?
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Old May 7th, 2017, 09:04 PM   #5814
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Is this station complex at Chatêlet - Les Halles bigger than the one at St. Lazare - Opera?
An another question - how far underground I need to walk from the one end (secteur Forum) of the station to the other (secteur Seine)?
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Old May 10th, 2017, 01:47 AM   #5815
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An another question - how far underground I need to walk from the one end (secteur Forum) of the station to the other (secteur Seine)?
Roughly 400 meters in a straight line, probably a bit more in reality

Here's another illustration to show the mess that it is:

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Old May 10th, 2017, 03:17 AM   #5816
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Is this station complex at Chatêlet - Les Halles bigger than the one at St. Lazare - Opera?
Well, Châtelet-les-Halles is mostly a RER station (the largest one)... while, for sure, the St-Augustin-St-Lazare-Havre-Caumartin-Auber-Opéra station is quite different.. and indeed larger (IMHO)...


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Always interesting to compare:

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Old May 11th, 2017, 12:27 PM   #5818
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Line 12 extension towards mairie d'Aubervilliers:



This is often referred to as phase 1, as a second phase to La Courneuve-Six Routes (Tramway line n°1 and future lines 16 and 17 stations) was previously in the books, it is no longer. That is not to say that it will never happen but we'll all be rather old when it will.



This the site of the future Aimé Césaire station. 15 000 passengers are expected daily.



Illustration of the station. As you can see, the banks of the canal Saint-Denis will also be renovated and refurbished to transform them into a pedestrian friendly promenade.



Perhaps some translation is needed:
Pont de Stains is the name of the bridge the station will be next to.
Ascenseur: lift. Escalier: stairs.
The quay level is -22 m deep and 80 m long. The overall length of the station is 120 m.





The debris from the construction sites go through this conveyor belt system and are evacuated by barges on the canal.



I'm not sure this has anything to do with the metro, but I like this photo for some reason, so I keep it





This is what sits at the junction between the Victor Hugo avenue and the Félix Faure boulevard. It goes without saying that traffic is a mess at the moment
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Mairie d'Aubervilliers station, line 12 terminus (and future line 15 stop):



The RATP advertises 22 000 passengers a day, 7 exits 2 of which are lifts, 20 minutes to Saint-Lazare station and one train every minute and a half at rush hour.



Here's a translation of the illustration :
- 2015 Construction of the walls supporting the future station
---> Circulation déviée: rerouted traffic
--->1: Digging of the wall in progress
--->2: Concrete is poured in
- 2016 Concrete slab covering the station put into place
--->3: Excavation before putting the slab
--->4: Extraction shaft
--->5: Slab put into place
- 2017 Excavation and construction of the station
--->6: Propping up of the walls
--->7: Excavation further down
- 2018-2019 Furbishing of the station
--->8: Technical rooms
--->9: Ticket sales room
--->10: Intermediary level





That's what the Victor Hugo avenue looks like on its entire length.





Construction of the station and its exits at the junction of Victor Hugo and République avenues..



Another exit further down the avenue.



Puit Waldeck-Rousseau (emergency access.)
Work has currently ceased as water and the sandy soil, which plagued the construction works from the start, proved to be too much to handle. They are currently reassessing their building methods.

And here's a video as a bonus (notions of french advised) :

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Cut-and-cover is still the best method of subway construction.
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