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Old January 17th, 2009, 12:32 PM   #841
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Old January 17th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #842
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Old January 18th, 2009, 06:49 PM   #843
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Old January 27th, 2009, 08:34 PM   #844
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Old February 1st, 2009, 06:57 PM   #845
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 12:51 AM   #846
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Paris has a really beautiful transit system.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 12:22 PM   #847
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One of world's largest subways
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Old February 6th, 2009, 02:20 PM   #848
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The closest subway system in the world (not the biggest)
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Old February 6th, 2009, 03:20 PM   #849
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It's amazing how dense it is.

It's just a shame it doesn't spread out further.

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Old February 6th, 2009, 03:47 PM   #850
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It's just a shame it doesn't spread out further.
That's more a job for the RER, according to me.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #851
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Old February 7th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #852
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It's amazing how dense it is.

It's just a shame it doesn't spread out further.
Is going to, more and more. But not so far away. The RER is really more efficient for this. The metro system (except the 14) in Paris is much more an underground tram than anything else.

By the way, your map is missing two stations, the ones that opened last year.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 06:26 PM   #853
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Old February 7th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #854
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Is going to, more and more. But not so far away. The RER is really more efficient for this. The metro system (except the 14) in Paris is much more an underground tram than anything else.
Come on Disturbman... A quick check on the traffic generated in the Paris metro makes it silly to compare it with tram. The frequency and the capacity of the metro has absolutely nothing in common with a tram network. I assume you just wanted to express by this the fact distances are short between stations, but the Paris metro is clearly heavy rail.

And as a matter of fact, the Paris metro could easily be extended far beyond its current limit. The creation of the new metro loop in the inner suburbs will make very profitable to extend each metro line by 5 to 10 more kilometers in each direction. That's actually something severely needed in the Paris urban area.

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Old February 8th, 2009, 02:45 AM   #855
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I'm pretty sure you are misunderstanding disturbman Metropolitan.
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Old February 8th, 2009, 12:41 PM   #856
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As a matter of fact he kind of did. I was speaking about the density of stations. There is one every ~500m in Paris. It's pretty dense and not very effective to move people on long distances. The parisian metro (exept the 14) as nothing to do with the ones in New York, Berlin...

As for the rest, yeah sure they move more people as a normal surface tram does. Because the train are longer. Because the tunnel make it totally grade separated, so you control more easily the environnement thus allowing greater speed and greater frequencies. But, okay. That was not my point (wich I developped in my first paragraph) and I will not take any pleasure in having this conversation. So let's stop here.

Anyway. I was more interested in taking about your second point. I was wondering if it was really possible to expand the metro line so far away in the suburbs since I'm allways reading that there is a limit to expansion. It is said that having a journey stretching over 1h15 is an exploitation hazard for a metro line. I don't know if it is hear say or the truth. But if it is true it will then limit the size of extansion.

Edit : I'm forgeting something else. Surely the system needs to cover more ground, to expand further in the suburbs. I was just saying that, if the actual pace continue we are not going to see many more of them.

Off Topic : My english is becoming so lousy, for that I really hate living in Germany.

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Old February 8th, 2009, 12:43 PM   #857
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What do you mean by exploitation hazard?
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Old February 8th, 2009, 02:46 PM   #858
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I mean that after that kind of time you cannot run a metro line efficiently. They will be too many problems, time-table irregularities, whatever or I think that's what I've read.
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Anyway. I was more interested in taking about your second point. I was wondering if it was really possible to expand the metro line so far away in the suburbs since I'm allways reading that there is a limit to expansion. It is said that having a journey stretching over 1h15 is an exploitation hazard for a metro line. I don't know if it is hear say or the truth. But if it is true it will then limit the size of extansion.
No it is not true, it is not more difficult to manage a 30 minutes line journey than a 1h30 journey line. The only problem is the driver, but you can change him in the middle of the line.
It is more hazardous to manage a line with branchs than a long line.

With the Metropherique or Arc Express ring line, the journey times will not a be a problem for the passengers since most will change for this express line.
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It's pretty dense and not very effective to move people on long distances. The parisian metro (exept the 14) as nothing to do with the ones in New York, Berlin...
As a matter of fact, distances are also very short between subway stations in Manhattan, but express services make it still competitive on long distances.

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Anyway. I was more interested in taking about your second point. I was wondering if it was really possible to expand the metro line so far away in the suburbs since I'm allways reading that there is a limit to expansion. It is said that having a journey stretching over 1h15 is an exploitation hazard for a metro line. I don't know if it is hear say or the truth. But if it is true it will then limit the size of extansion.
The problem isn't technical, it's a matter of competitivity.

Indeed, the Paris metro is rather slow inside Central Paris. As such, the more we expand lines further in the suburbs, the less it is competitive compared with a highly structured freeway network.

However, the creation of a metro loop in inner suburbs make things completely different as it allows fully suburban journeys to be made on the metro network at a faster speed than by using car. In this context, it becomes fully profitable to expand the metro network deeper in the suburbs.
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