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Old December 17th, 2009, 02:22 PM   #1081
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Wrong the "Mouton style" is not at all an ornament made by Guimard.
He was dead when it was created the Mouton style.

The Mouton style stations are those renovated in the 1970's with the orange tile.



Mouton Duverney was the first station to have this color in the 1969.
It is anymore the case with the renovation of 2006, today the titles of this station are white.
http://www.metro-pole.net/actu/article694.html

So Mouton Duvernet doesn't have anymore the Mounton style.
Many other stations lost it. (Gare de l'Est, Raspail, Republique, Trocadero...)

PS : I had answered at this one.
Quite right Minato ku - nicely spotted. Agree that it is a shame they lost that one, because no matter what you thought of it, it was kind of symbolic of a style that was applied to dozens of stations following it's first outing at Mouton.

Would perhaps have been nice to keep at least one station like that and why not the very first?

But to widen the discussion - what do forummers think of all the other renovations?

Do people think it wise to make all the standard stations the same?

What about restoration of the old Nord-Sud stations ceramics??

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Old December 17th, 2009, 04:23 PM   #1082
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Sure they should keep at least one station of that style as a testimony.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 05:22 PM   #1083
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Unfortunely by 2010, the mouton style will be gone.
I alos miss the 70's blue of Opera station, it was maybe ugly and dated but original I would prefer a renovation with new blue title.

Other stations are a way better in white than with the Mouton style, the orange Gare de l'Est was ugly and dark.
Now in white and grey with white and blue lighting, it is better and look safer.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 02:44 AM   #1084
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Personal quiz for you Minato Ku: where can we still find some last remaining light blue ceramic times on walls in passageways?????

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Old December 18th, 2009, 02:41 PM   #1085
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COMPETITION

Last few hours of the Paris Metro map station re-naming competition.

You'll find it hard to catch up with our leader Falubaz but do have a go if you fancy a chance of winning this book about the history of the Paris Metro design
(http://www.amazon.com/Paris-Undergro.../dp/0143116398)

And if not and you're a Paris fan - please buy the book anyway!!
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Old December 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM   #1086
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Personal quiz for you Minato Ku: where can we still find some last remaining light blue ceramic times on walls in passageways?????

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Nation.
More exactly the connection with the RER A.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #1087
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an easy one: Balard renarmed Bénard: Balard was a French chemist and Bénard a French physicist
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Old December 19th, 2009, 12:01 PM   #1088
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Nation.
More exactly the connection with the RER A.
Really? OK I will have to go and have a poke about round there! Didnt know of those.

Nope the answer I was thinking of was the Line 11 entrance at Chatelet Avenue Victoria. The 'back entrance' (near the line control room) has a nice spread of a really lovely aqua marine blue tiles!!!

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Old December 19th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #1089
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PARIS METRO QUIZ OVER

Well the big quiz is over (thank the Dieu for that I hear some of you cry - apologies to those of you who were bored of the thing!!)

But the person who correctly analysed the most number the stations that had been renamed on the map was......(pause for effect & drumroll)

FALUBAZ

He submitted 83 entries and only two did not match my (somewhat warped) reasoning (although one of those was actually cleverer than my initial thoughts), so the cheeky Pole is the clear winner!

He'll be getting a signed copy of "Paris Underground - The Maps, Stations and Design of the Metro" (hopefully before Christmas if I get my skates on down to La Poste!).

So huge congratulations to him and big thanks to everyone else who entered.

And for all of you on here who love the Metro, do PLEASE buy or ask someone else to buy the book for you this Noel! It'll be the best Ł10 you spend this season - for hundreds of maps, many not seen in decades, rare photo's and the first ever complete history of the Paris Metro design from signage to architecture, cartography to typography!

Go on treat yerself!
(http://www.amazon.com/Paris-Undergro.../dp/0143116398)

(And huge thanks to the rest of you for tolerating me posting all this stuff I know it's shameless self-promotion but it's a pretty specialized topic and we freelance author types need all the help we can get!!!)
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Old December 19th, 2009, 02:29 PM   #1090
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Nope the answer I was thinking of was the Line 11 entrance at Chatelet Avenue Victoria. The 'back entrance' (near the line control room) has a nice spread of a really lovely aqua marine blue tiles!!!

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Here I coundn't found, I never used the Avenue Victoria entrance of the Chatelet.
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Old December 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #1091
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Wow, thanks, Mark! That's great gift for Christmass! And i had lotsa fun guessing the new names given by you and learnt really a lot of Paris Metro during that time. Can't wait to read that book!

Cheers!
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 03:42 PM   #1092
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extention.
Mairie des Lilas to Rosny-Bois-Perrier



Two possibilities
-(Red) 6 km and 5 stations
Liberte
Place Carnot
Hopital Nord
La Boissiere
Rosny-Bois-Perrier

-(Orange) 5.5 km and 6 stations
Liberte
Place Carnot
Hopital Nord
La Boissiere
Londeau-Domus
Rosny-Bois-Perrier

http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/STIF_-_...a_ligne_11.pdf

PS: Considering that they had project to extend the line 11 even further in 1929, we are suriously in late.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 04:44 PM   #1093
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LINE 11

It's great that they are finally proposing to get this work started - though as a regular on Ligne 11, it's easy to see that its pretty full already by the time it comes down the hill from Lilas towards Republique!

I wonder if they will put new trains on and increase the headway so that everyone from the original older stations will still be able to get on when trains are full of people from the new areas to be served!?!
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 07:15 PM   #1094
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M11 extension? Finally!
But i always couldnt understand, when visiting Paris, why the heck the line 11 wasnt built past Chatalet, to the south-west.
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M11 extension? Finally!
But i always couldnt understand, when visiting Paris, why the heck the line 11 wasnt built past Chatalet, to the south-west.
Strangely enough I was thinking exactly the same thing today when I got off at Chatelet on Ligne 11 and looked down the (quite long) tunnel where the trains park and swap back onto the outbound line.

It would be so useful if it headed south-west under the Seine and over to somewhere like Solferino/Varenne/Ecole Militaire/Tour Eiffel etc

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Old December 23rd, 2009, 02:45 AM   #1096
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If the line 11 is not extended in the south-west it is because there is no need of it.
It is very expensive to build a subway line under Central Paris, imagine if it is for a very low number of passengers.

To have a new subway line in the 7th arrondissement we need to seriously increase the number of jobs of this area because the ridership of the stations here is quite low.
I never understand why they keep Varenne open, closing it to increase the speed between Montparnasse and Saint Lazare would be a good idea.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 02:36 AM   #1099
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I wonder if they will put new trains on and increase the headway so that everyone from the original older stations will still be able to get on when trains are full of people from the new areas to be served!?!
The headway is already quite good with less than 110s at peak hours.
Of course there will be new trains, as the MP59 are Paris oldest trains. When they will be withdrawn from line 4 in 2010-2011 (replaced by the MP89 coming from line 1) line 11 will be the only one to have a more than 40 years old rolling stock. The new rolling stock will have 5 carriages instead of 4 today.
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MarkO: completely off-topic, but since you were the first to invade this thread anyway : is there any update of your Metro Maps of the World in the making? I've got the Dutch (translated) edition from 2006 - it's amazing to see how much the metro landscape has changed in just four years. Would be nice to see that reflected in an update of your book!
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