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Old February 25th, 2010, 10:38 PM   #1121
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Saint Lazare transfer to Saint Augustin

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Old February 26th, 2010, 04:57 AM   #1122
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Crazy! Is there a diagram of this?
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Old February 26th, 2010, 10:28 AM   #1123
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Crazy! Is there a diagram of this?
The best is to go here :

http://carto.metro.free.fr/documents...Paris.v2.7.pdf

(St-Lazare is the current last stop of line M14).

Nice work, you'll see...
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Old February 26th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #1124
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Crazy! Is there a diagram of this?
And the video only show a part of this big maze of underground tunnel.



The sole Haussmann Saint Lazare or Auber station are huge, so imagine it combined at big interchange like Saint Lazare and Opera.
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Old February 26th, 2010, 07:42 PM   #1125
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Nice map Hugues, I have always been wondering how the Haxo station is connected to the rest of the system (line 3 and 7 bis) and can clearly see how they want to create ligne 15 by connecting the two "bis" lines.


I attented the "concertation about ligne 13" last month and during the questions they showed what the underground of St-Lazare looks like: I tell you it's a mess! They used that underground 3D map to show that it's almost impossible to create a new station underground St-Lazare (someone asked the question about taking of branch of line 13 and extending it to St-Lazare).
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Old February 26th, 2010, 08:36 PM   #1126
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I attented the "concertation about ligne 13" last month and during the questions they showed what the underground of St-Lazare looks like: I tell you it's a mess! They used that underground 3D map to show that it's almost impossible to create a new station underground St-Lazare (someone asked the question about taking of branch of line 13 and extending it to St-Lazare).
I'm very concerned by this line M13 : I've lived at "Liège" station, close to St-Lazare... for 34 years (since my birth in fact).
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Old February 28th, 2010, 03:54 PM   #1127
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Why the 13th line it's in danger? I know that the 14th line go to Place de Clichy, La Fourche etc. Who is the connection??
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Old March 1st, 2010, 10:51 AM   #1128
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Why the 13th line it's in danger? I know that the 14th line go to Place de Clichy, La Fourche etc. Who is the connection??
It's line M13 that makes ... - Saint-Lazare - Liège - Place de Clichy - La Fourche - the two northern branchs.

Line M14 stops at St-Lazare. The project is to extend it by crossing the 2 branchs with an optionnal station at Rome, to avoid connection with line M2 (im my opinion, not to make it would be stupid).

If you want to see the map :
http://www.desaturationdelaligne13.c.../Carte_vec.jpg
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Old March 1st, 2010, 01:36 PM   #1129
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I also think it would be a mistake not to make the connection with line 2 at Rome (btw I live at Rome metro station, but not for very long).
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Old March 1st, 2010, 03:52 PM   #1130
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My photos of the Paris Metro - March 09

Along Line 4


Line 6



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The, ugh, I forgot the name of it! That hillside shuttle thing...
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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:03 PM   #1131
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Esplanade de la Defense

So the platform edge doors are installed already, as I can see. How much longer before this transition to automated occurs?

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St. martin --> Ghost station (obvious)

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What happened to this station? Why did it close?
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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:07 PM   #1132
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Is the interior any different though? I really like the MP89, but it would be nice to see a new design for the MP05.
Sorry, but I'm not digging the 70's style "rainbow" colors...
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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:29 PM   #1133
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It's line M13 that makes ... - Saint-Lazare - Liège - Place de Clichy - La Fourche - the two northern branchs.

Line M14 stops at St-Lazare. The project is to extend it by crossing the 2 branchs with an optionnal station at Rome, to avoid connection with line M2 (im my opinion, not to make it would be stupid).

If you want to see the map :
http://www.desaturationdelaligne13.c.../Carte_vec.jpg
Wasn't line 14 suuposed to merge with one of line 13 branches? Why did they change of idea?
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Old March 1st, 2010, 07:37 PM   #1134
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What happened to this station? Why did it close?
It has closed since 1939, at the beginning of WWII. Never re-opened later, because too close of Strasbourg-St-Denis (100 m between the closer access !)

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Wasn't line 14 suuposed to merge with one of line 13 branches? Why did they change of idea?
The STIF says "Too expensive, too difficult (stations at 75 m vs 120m for M14, rubber vs steel rolling stock, etc.)".

I first thought that was a very bad idea, but now... I wonder. If line M13 will be "debranched", we will have 3 metro lines and not 2 in the northern Paris and close suburban cities (St-Denis, St-Ouen, etc.). So if line M13 lose one branch, why not ?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 03:57 PM   #1135
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It has closed since 1939, at the beginning of WWII. Never re-opened later, because too close of Strasbourg-St-Denis (100 m between the closer access !)
I see. It looked like it had a lot of potential. But having two stations within only a few km of each other definitely does not make sense.

Are there any other stations that have suffered the same fate, probably never to reopen again?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 05:24 PM   #1136
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The Haxo Station is closed.

This is actually far more prevalent on the London Underground and NYC Subway than on the Paris Métro. See below:

Closed London Underground Stations

Closed NYC Subway Stations


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I see. It looked like it had a lot of potential. But having two stations within only a few km of each other definitely does not make sense.

Are there any other stations that have suffered the same fate, probably never to reopen again?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 05:34 PM   #1137
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I see. It looked like it had a lot of potential. But having two stations within only a few km of each other definitely does not make sense.

Are there any other stations that have suffered the same fate, probably never to reopen again?
Yes !

4 stations have closed since 1939, never reopened :

Arsenal, between Bastille & Quai de la Rapée, M5
Champ de Mars, between La-Motte-Picquet - Grenelle, M8
Croix Rouge, between Sèvres - Babylone & Mabillon, M10
Saint-Martin, between Strasbourg - Saint-Denis & République, M8 & M9 (reopened few months after the Liberation of Paris in 1944)

5 closed in 1939 and reopened later (date of reopening) :

Varenne, between Invalides & Saint-François-Xavier, M13 (1962, dec, 24th)
Bel Air, between Daumesnil & Daumesnil, M6 (1963, jan, 7th)
Rennes, between Sèvres - Babylone & Notre-Dame-des-Champs, M12 (1968, may, 20th reopened with special timetables : closed on sunday and after 8pm ; normal timetables since 2004)
Liège (my station !), between Saint-Lazare & Place de Clichy, M13 (1968, sept, 16th, same special timetables ; normal timetables since 2006)
Cluny, between Maubert - Mutualité & Odéon, M10 (1988, feb, 17th, so 50 years after closing - with a new name : Cluny - La Sorbonne - but in order to avoid connection with RER B)

Some knew a different fate, I'll tell more later !
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Nice map Hugues, I have always been wondering how the Haxo station is connected to the rest of the system (line 3 and 7 bis) and can clearly see how they want to create ligne 15 by connecting the two "bis" lines.


I attented the "concertation about ligne 13" last month and during the questions they showed what the underground of St-Lazare looks like: I tell you it's a mess! They used that underground 3D map to show that it's almost impossible to create a new station underground St-Lazare (someone asked the question about taking of branch of line 13 and extending it to St-Lazare).
Here I don't understand why it is necessary a new station in Saint Lazare?

At Place de la Stalingrad at the metro bridge, before the station there are a horizontal bare near the bridge like there may have to come a new line of metro. What is that?
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Here I don't understand why it is necessary a new station in Saint Lazare?

At Place de la Stalingrad at the metro bridge, before the station there are a horizontal bare near the bridge like there may have to come a new line of metro. What is that?
Look at this map

As you can see, line M14 will not "de-branch" line M13. So the STIF and everyone in Paris agree it'll be necessary in the future. But the creation of a line "M13 bis" will need a new station near St-Lazare to have sense (a bis line stopping at La Fourche would have no sense).
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 06:17 PM   #1140
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Look at this map

As you can see, line M14 will not "de-branch" line M13. So the STIF and everyone in Paris agree it'll be necessary in the future. But the creation of a line "M13 bis" will need a new station near St-Lazare to have sense (a bis line stopping at La Fourche would have no sense).
It's very simple. In my opinion If the M13 becomes M14 between Mairie de St-Ouen and St. Denis Universite then M13 simply stops at Mairie de St-Ouen. They can bulit a loop back there. Or if M13 becomes M14 between Porte de Clichy and Asnieres-Gennevilliers then M13 simply stops at Porte de Clichy.Or are there many trains on the M13 for so small a branch?? Or there is a third solution that M13 become M14 from La Fourche on one of the branch, preferably to Porte de Clichy for you have the correspondence to RER C.

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