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Old June 30th, 2010, 03:46 PM   #1281
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Old July 1st, 2010, 03:17 AM   #1282
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Air conditioning?

I've been to Paris several times and in fact, am here now. The metro system is truly amazing in terms of being able to go practically anywhere in the city.

However, with the possible exception of Line 1, the air circulation systems on most of the lines are wretched; line 4 today was like a sauna! Do any of the trains have air conditioning?

On an unrelated note, I was pleased to see platform edge doors installed at Hotel de Ville. When was that done and are there plans to install more along Line 1?

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Old July 1st, 2010, 03:44 AM   #1283
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"Air-conditioning is not eco-friendly" according to the RATP

PS: You should try the buses in Paris during the summer......

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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:31 AM   #1284
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Well in fact the RATP says that its not eco-friendly but now they don't have the choice and have introduced a good ventilation system on newer trams and and metro stocks that is more eco-friendly than a regular Air cond.

But then the RATP is trying to save as much money as possible, so the people running the RATP don't really care if trains and buses are like saunas.

To them it would be too expensive to have air cond on all the 4000+ buses and metro and RER trains. And even on buses equipped with air conditioning, the maintenance is not done frequently so its basically like if there were no air cond in there. And also people as a result don't care about the signs that tell them to not open the windows...

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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:02 AM   #1285
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You're right, and believe me I'm fully aware of these things since one of my best friends works at the RATP' headquarters !

BUT: I'm still waiting for an efficient "ventilation/refrigeration" system... on ALL lines/trains/tram/buses.....
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:43 AM   #1286
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People will open the windows on the bus in many cases and on many transit systems. Alot of people really dont care.

The only trains on the Metro that have A/C are the MF 2000 and the soon-to-be operational MP 05

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Old July 1st, 2010, 09:46 AM   #1287
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"Air-conditioning is not eco-friendly" according to the RATP

PS: You should try the buses in Paris during the summer......
Oddly you mention buses as when I was in Paris this week I noticed RATP appears to be retrofitting aircon to some of the older buses. I saw several Agora lines on the 42 with aircon. Most had just a small drivers unit but others had what appears to be full salon aircon. Saw similar buses with the full salon aircon on other routes in the Gare Du Nord area.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 10:07 AM   #1288
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I didn't say there were no buses with "ventilation/refrigeration"... but most of them don't have such systems !

For example, many buses on the lines that I use frequently (22, 52, 72, PC1..) have a refrigeration system, but that doesn't mean that the whole network has !
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Old July 1st, 2010, 03:47 PM   #1289
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Why would that be though? Perhaps one MP 59 got too old for service?
when MP73 and MP55 were withdrawn from line 11 the MP73 went to line 6. But, as line 6 operates 5 carriages trains while line 11 operates 4 carriages trains, may be there was a shortage of carriages to convert all the trains?
There used to be a MP73 on line 4 also but it has been phased out when the line 1 MP59 replaced the line 4 MP59.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 08:51 PM   #1290
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I see, so originally, the MP55 and some MP 73 trains were on Line 11. I find that very interesting. I thought the MP 73 always ran on Line 6 only.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 09:23 PM   #1291
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It's because people are a bunch of ******* idiots regarding AC in europe. They don't have a clue.
Here in London, some of the newer buses that were introduced on some routes last summer had fully integrated AC systems on them. Well it broke down on most routes because customers would open the windows regardless. They don't deserve it and should just suffer. Same on the continent, let them sweat buckets till they learn to shut the damn windows.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 09:39 PM   #1292
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Old July 1st, 2010, 11:04 PM   #1293
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I am curious about the Arc Experess: is it going to be another metro line (with either the same rolling stock as the Metro lines or rolling stock with a wider loading gauge) or is it going to be a whole new rapid transit system?
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Arc Express would most likely become one or several lines of the existing Paris metro.
The loading gauge would be higher than the other metro lines. (2.8m, according the last documents that I read, instead of 2.4m)

Anyway Arc Express is still a study, we are quite far to the start of any construction.

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Nice to hear that they're going with bigger-looking railcars.
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My fav is the MP 89.
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 04:25 AM   #1297
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People will open the windows on the bus in many cases and on many transit systems. Alot of people really dont care.

The only trains on the Metro that have A/C are the MF 2000 and the soon-to-be operational MP 05
Actually its not A/C, it is what we call Refrigerated Ventilation (kind of a more eco-friendly A/C).

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Oddly you mention buses as when I was in Paris this week I noticed RATP appears to be retrofitting aircon to some of the older buses. I saw several Agora lines on the 42 with aircon. Most had just a small drivers unit but others had what appears to be full salon aircon. Saw similar buses with the full salon aircon on other routes in the Gare Du Nord area.
There are no Agoralines running on line 42 regularly. These are just regular Renault Agora. And the buses you saw with aircon are not all retrofitted there is a batch of Agoras that are equipped with A/C right from the shop and some that have been retrofitted later.

But since the A/C Unit are not regularly checked (to save money) they are not efficient at all. And there is not fresh air above the doors that prevent the hot air from entering inside, just one A/C grill for the entire bus...

Ironically a lot of cities in France that don't have temperatures as hot as paris during the summer have full air cond buses running and not just a cheap A/C like the RATPs one. And in paris too, the private bus companies have Air Cond buses too.
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I see, so originally, the MP55 and some MP 73 trains were on Line 11. I find that very interesting. I thought the MP 73 always ran on Line 6 only.
Yes, so for a while, line 11 used to have 3 different kind of rolling stock: MP73, 55 and 59!
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Yes, so for a while, line 11 used to have 3 different kind of rolling stock: MP73, 55 and 59!
But why the combo? It still sounds very odd.

And what line(s) did the MP 51 and MA ## run on?
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The MP51 was a prototype, it didn't run on commercial service.
It was tested on the "voie Navette" between the 11, 3bis and 7bis.


The MA run on the line 13 between 1951 and 1974.
Between 1974 and 1994 on the line 10.
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