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Old August 3rd, 2010, 02:21 PM   #1361
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Yeah me too, i can't wait for those trains to be on line 4. Plus, the MP 89 trains don't have gaps between carriages so there will be more space on this very crowded line.

As for the 24 hour service, I think it was an objective for the double metro loop (using protions of current line 14) around Paris. As line 1 is going to be fully automatic too, we can imagine that it's going to work 24/7 on the long term, alongside line 14 and the metro loop.

I don't really know if it's a long term project but it would be a great one. And if line 4 is to be automatic aswell, it would be great to have this one working 24/7 also. The 24 hour service would include three lines (with line 1 which is the busiest), stops to 4 main line stations (Montparnasse, Gare du Nord, Gare de l'Est, Gare de Lyon) that are important night bus hubs, stops to nightlife quarters such as the Champs Elysées, Bastille, Chatelet (yes there are bars there), Etienne Marcel, Monparnasse, Odeon/St Michel...
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 04:56 PM   #1362
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Yeah me too, i can't wait for those trains to be on line 4. Plus, the MP 89 trains don't have gaps between carriages so there will be more space on this very crowded line.

As for the 24 hour service, I think it was an objective for the double metro loop (using protions of current line 14) around Paris. As line 1 is going to be fully automatic too, we can imagine that it's going to work 24/7 on the long term, alongside line 14 and the metro loop.

I don't really know if it's a long term project but it would be a great one. And if line 4 is to be automatic aswell, it would be great to have this one working 24/7 also. The 24 hour service would include three lines (with line 1 which is the busiest), stops to 4 main line stations (Montparnasse, Gare du Nord, Gare de l'Est, Gare de Lyon) that are important night bus hubs, stops to nightlife quarters such as the Champs Elysées, Bastille, Chatelet (yes there are bars there), Etienne Marcel, Monparnasse, Odeon/St Michel...
That would be wonderful. I wonder what will happen once Line 4 becomes automated down the road. What happens to the MP 89 CCs then?
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 05:18 PM   #1363
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They go to another line

But it can only be line 6 or 11 because of the tires. I would go for line 11 because the trains are like line 4, in a bad shape
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 07:48 PM   #1364
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In the line 11 trains are in better shape as the MP59 running in this line are more recent. Don't forget that the most recent MP59 were produced in 1974 while the oldest is from 1961. I think that those are alteady out of service as many have already been withdrawn with the arrival of the MP89 on the line 1.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 08:21 PM   #1365
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I did not know that.

Would you happen to have any ideas though as to what may happen to the MP 89 CC once the Line 4 automation is done? I mean, if the MP 59 trains on Line 11 and the MP 73s on Line 6 are eventually slated for replacement by the proposed MP 09 (which is supposed to look like the MF 2000), then where do the MP 89 CCs go after the Line 4 upgrade? Would the trains get refurbished/upgraded to autopilot at that time?
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Old August 8th, 2010, 02:12 AM   #1366
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extension
The station names are provisional.

Mairie des Lilas (actual terminus) to Hôpital

Liberté

Place Carnot

Hôpital


Hôpital to Rosny-Bois-Perrier

Layout 1, two stations

Boissière

Rosny-Bois-Perrier


Layout 2, three stations, elevated part in Londeau-Domus ("Portion viaduc" in the map)

Boissière

Londeau-Domus

Rosny-Bois-Perrier


Start of the construction in 2013
Opening in 2019
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Old August 9th, 2010, 04:51 PM   #1367
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Wonderful diagrams! When is this extension supposed to begin?
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Old August 9th, 2010, 05:59 PM   #1368
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I wrote it in the end of the last message, in 2013.
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In 2012, Paris metro will have 47 stations with PSDs.
Line 1 : 25
Line 13 : 13
Line 14 : 9
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Old August 10th, 2010, 03:35 AM   #1369
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Sorry Minato, I didn't see the date in the original post.

Great photos btw. Do you know how many more stations on Line 1 still need PSDs?
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Old August 11th, 2010, 04:57 PM   #1370
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I don't know, I need to do a trip on the whole line 1 and count the number of station with PSDs.
I heard that the installation in Louvre Rivoli began.

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All right, thanks.

Also, I've been curious about the different models of the MF 67. I noticed that one model has a green front, like the one in the above photo, but the windows are different. A second model exactly like the one above, and then a third model with a black front.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #1372
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Yes there are several types of MF 67.
This stock have been produced between 1967 and 1976.

Line 2: MF 67 E
Line 3: MF 67 D
Line 3bis: MF 67 D
Line 5: MF 67 F
Line 9: MF 67 D
Line 10: MF 67 D & E
Line 12: MF 67 D

The oldest are the MF 67 D of the line 3 and the newest are the MF67 F the line 5.
The black front is for the refurbished trains, it has nothing to do with the train type.

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Do you know how many more stations on Line 1 still need PSDs?
Still 15 stations on the 25 of the line 1.
-10 station are fully equipped with PSDs
-2 stations where the installation began

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I heard that the installation in Louvre Rivoli began.
This was right

Louvre Rivoli


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Which model MF 67 has the odd looking windows?

Only 10 stations have PSD's? I'd say that's very slow progress. I understand it takes a while and passengers cant be inconvenienced too much, but this sounds like the same thing as the snail's pace with the MF 2000 rollout.
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I think it is the MF 67 F of the line 5.

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Old August 13th, 2010, 04:03 PM   #1375
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Those windows look odd because the MF67F is the only rolling stock among the MF67 to be stored outside at night, in Bobigny. So is has to be "waterproof".
But those trains happened to be unreliable so, despite being the newest of the MF67 fleet, they will be the next to be scrapped and replaced by the MF2000.
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They definitely look odd in comparison to the other MF 67s. I don't understand why the misfortune for these trains.

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Old August 19th, 2010, 07:37 AM   #1377
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They definitely look odd in comparison to the other MF 67s. I don't understand why the misfortune for these trains.
Anyway, a few trains should survive on line 8 to second the MF77 when the extension in Créteil will be open.
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Very interesting. When does that extension open?
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End 2011. This page is in french but there is a map:
http://extension-reseau.ratp.fr/m8/index.html
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