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Old November 17th, 2010, 12:25 AM   #1621
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The proposed ring was formerly known under the name Métrophérique. Is that name gone and Arc Express a new name for the same thing?
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Old November 17th, 2010, 01:28 AM   #1622
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Yes, the Arc Express is the new name of the Metropherique project.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 10:37 AM   #1623
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Are these the trains with aircon?
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Old November 17th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #1624
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There is a Paris RER thread where you could ask
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(fabrizio), I answered you Here

Thanks Alargule and Minato ku, I'll check it out right now.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 03:11 PM   #1625
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Anyway the Arc Express is a ring line in the inner suburbs, so it will not serve any point inside the Peripherique.
Yes, I understand that very well but it's quite stupid to create a junction 1 station away, which not be very practical for most of users, just because the line "must stay" outside Paris.
Otherwise, IMHO the connection could be at Pont de Sèvres because the station is also busier than Marcel Sembat during rush hours (also because of the Bus terminal + the Tramway line across the river).
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Old November 17th, 2010, 04:27 PM   #1626
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Not only this reason.
Draw a line with ruler between Saint Cloud, Boulogne - Pont de Saint Cloud and Issy Val de Seine, Marcel Samba is on this line.
To pass through the Porte de Saint Cloud is a detour, a detour can be very expensive.

A map of Boulogne with the bus, metro etc...


Add to this fact that the bus line serving Porte de Saint Cloud are not that important and many follow the metro line (9 and 10) and other have connection with the Arc Express in an other station.

62: Pont de Saint Cloud
175: Marcel Sambat, Pont de Saint Cloud
189: Issy Val de Seine
OK I admit that the line 22, 62, PC1 and 289 will not have any connection but honestly if the bus was the main problem, the Arc Express line would pass through Pont de Sevres with more bus lines than Porte de Saint Cloud.

Marcel Samba is a more interesting district with many shop, a mall and more restaurants.
Excepted some bus, a McD and the Parc des Princes stadium there is nothing in Porte de Saint Cloud.

The main thing that we want for the Arc Express is connection with metro and other suburban lines, serving important districts and creating new sub centre district in inner suburbs.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:17 PM   #1627
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Are these the trains with aircon?
It has refrigerated air conditioning.

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See the speed of the reverse.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 02:00 AM   #1628
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Wow, that is fast.

I noticed the signage above the windshield (towards the end of the video) is different than other MF77s. Is this a result of the refurbishment of the trains?

The MP05 also has A/C correct?
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Old November 18th, 2010, 11:49 AM   #1629
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The reverse is completly automatic, that's why it is fast.
The driver don't need to walk on the other oposite side cabine.

Right the train is a refurbished M77 like the majority of the rolling stock on the line 13.
This is easy to recognize a refurbished M77, the trains have LEED headlamps and the interior is white (instead of blue in the unrefurbished train).

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The new command center of the line 1

http://www.leparisien.fr/transports/...10-1153206.php

The first driverless trains could run by June 2011 on passengers service.
During a period of the several month the trains with drivers will coexist with driverless trains.

MP05 have refrigerated air conditioning like the MF01.
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Cool! Thanks Minato.

And I would assume that at the same time the the MP05s are going into service, one by one, the MP89s will gradually be removed from Line 1 and prepped for Line 4. Then the MP59s will be gradually removed from Line 4 and transitioned either to Line 11, or retired.

Its going to be a intricate dance in 2011.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:56 PM   #1631
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Right the train is a refurbished M77 like the majority of the rolling stock on the line 13.
This is easy to recognize a refurbished M77, the trains have LEED headlamps and the interior is white (instead of blue in the unrefurbished train).


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Old November 19th, 2010, 12:16 AM   #1632
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Champs Elysées Clemenceau.



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Old November 19th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #1633
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well done ratp! rather do refurbishment of existing equipment

ans when will we get rid off the old cars ?? i can't support them anymore
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Old November 19th, 2010, 12:47 AM   #1634
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Remplacement of the train for the next five years
I didn't include the line 1 as the trains are recent and will move on the line 4

Line 2: 2008 - 2011 (MF67 -> MF01)
Line 5: 2010 - 201? (MF67 -> MF01)
Line 4: 2011 - 2012 (MP59 -> MP89)
Line 9: 201? - 201? (MF67 -> MF01)

The worst trains on the network, the MP59 of the line 4 will soon be retired but it is true that the RATP is seriously in late.
The remplacement should have taken place 10 years ago.

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It is also interesting to see how it is when there is a technical failure.
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That is definitely late. Especially with the Line 2 replacement and Line 1 & 4 transitions. FINALLY Line 5 will start having the MF01s run for regular service.
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It has refrigerated air conditioning.

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See the speed of the reverse.
What's Refrigirated Airconditioning?
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Old November 19th, 2010, 05:33 PM   #1637
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Excepted some bus, a McD and the Parc des Princes stadium there is nothing in Porte de Saint Cloud.
Nothing.........except 3 high-schools, an University Institute for Technology (IUT), a Hospital, a sports hall (4-5000 seats), a rugby stadium (soon to be 22K), many shops Av. de Versailles, several Brasseries (opened till 3 AM), some sports facilities such as the Tennis club de Paris, a half-dozen of hotels (including 2 large business' hotels) + several office buildings in the "ZAC du Point du Jour" which is located in Boulogne but served by the Porte de St-Cloud station (TF1 Tower, La Poste Headquarters, Bouygues Telecom headquarters, SFR-Neuf Headquarters etc)....

So that's also why this station is busier than Marcel Sembat !

Anyway, there are many things that maps don't tell !


P.S. Not to mention that the Parc des Princes itself and its 40-50,000 fans (and their 10-15,000 cars ) 3-4 times a month are largely enough to necessitating a better transportation.

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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #1638
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All the shops around Porte de Saint Cloud are local (supermarket, butcher, florists...), they only attract people from a small area.
The shops in Marcel Samba are high street shops (chain like GAP, H&M, Claire's, Zara, Fnac...) wich attract people from a wider area.

The same for the fast foods, there are MacDonald's everywhere, unlike KFC (especially in western Paris).
So a KFC attract people from a much wider area.

About the Brasserie and all the other food things, the choise is wider in Marcel Samba than Porte de Saint Cloud.

The hospital is quite far from Porte de Saint Cloud (2 metro station), so people would anyway need not change of train.
I don't see any difference between changing at Marcel Samba or Porte de Saint Cloud.

The "ZAC du Point du Jour" would be served by the Arc Express via Issy Val de Seine station.
It is not so much further.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:23 PM   #1639
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The hospital is quite far from Porte de Saint Cloud (2 metro station), so people would anyway need not change of train.
I meant "Hôpital Henry Dunant-French Red Cross" (Rue Michel Ange).

Anyway, I simply meant that there is far from "nothing".. Like you seem to believe.

I know very well both districts and you're right about the wider choice in Marcel Sembat, but actually the customers are mainly local residents there too.

Actually, many of them (including some of my friends) go to Porte de St-Cloud for the Cafés, the weekly food Market (not to mention the Tabac opened from 7 AM till midnight 365 days a year ) etc.

While the inhabitants of south Auteuil (like me) go to Boulogne for Cinema theatres and the clothes shops etc

Oh, and BTW my station is not Porte de St-Cloud but Exelmans or eventually Michel-Ange-Molitor = The busiest ones of the whole Paris network
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Old November 19th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #1640
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Infact Porte de Saint Cloud is one of few area in the southern part of the 16th arrondissement that I like.
In the 16th I prefer the northern part especially near Place Victor Hugo or Passy la Muette.

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What's Refrigirated Airconditioning?
To be honest, I don't know if the term is exact.
It is a ventilation system that uses water and air for cooling.
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