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Old February 4th, 2011, 04:17 PM   #1801
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Minato, do you have a picture of how they're gonna build the PSD's on Charles de Gaulle Etoile and Bastille station (line). I wonder how they're gonna do that.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 05:13 PM   #1802
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I wonder about the same.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 07:56 PM   #1803
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They're probably going to put them further from the edge of the platform to reduce the angle (the segments will have to be smaller and meet at angle).
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Old February 5th, 2011, 09:28 PM   #1804
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Since the proposed Greater Paris transportation plan includes extending Line 14 beyond Paris Proper, it wouldn't be unreasonable to eventually convert the MP89s on that line into full longitudinal seating, seeing as how they would be taking on more passengers.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 05:01 AM   #1805
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Since the proposed Greater Paris transportation plan includes extending Line 14 beyond Paris Proper, it wouldn't be unreasonable to eventually convert the MP89s on that line into full longitudinal seating, seeing as how they would be taking on more passengers.
Unfortunately by now full longitudinal seating are dirty words in Paris, I hope it will change in the future.
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Old February 7th, 2011, 01:23 AM   #1806
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Why does Paris hate longitudinal seating so much? The US does it and seemingly very few issues come out of it.....
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Old February 7th, 2011, 10:05 AM   #1807
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A bit off-topic:

When I'm in Paris, I'll buy a Navigo Pass Decouverte card for one week for the zones 1-3. When I want to get to a destination in zone 4 (Versailles), do I need an extra-ticket for this journey or can I charge an amount on the Navigo Pass like for example it's possible with the Oystercard? And if I Buy a weekcard, is it possible to make it valid from Sunday till Saturday or does it give the one week ticket only from Monday-Sunday?
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Old February 7th, 2011, 01:33 PM   #1808
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Weekly pass is from Monday to Sunday (you can buy it as early as the friday preceding the week you wish to travel).

No you can't add a single journey on a Navigo pass (I know it's stupid but it's like that). You will either have to buy a full journey ticket (zone 1-4) or use your pass to zone 3 then get off and obliterate a zone 3-4 ticket, that is the cheapest option but not the most convenient.

Why as a tourist do you buy zone 1-3 and not only 1-2?
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Old February 7th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #1809
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Weekly pass is from Monday to Sunday (you can buy it as early as the friday preceding the week you wish to travel).

No you can't add a single journey on a Navigo pass (I know it's stupid but it's like that). You will either have to buy a full journey ticket (zone 1-4) or use your pass to zone 3 then get off and obliterate a zone 3-4 ticket, that is the cheapest option but not the most convenient.
Okay, thanks for the information! So I think I'll buy the youth option for the weekend (zones 1-5 for 6,85euro a day) and for the other days a normal ticket for zone 1-2. I wanted to buy the Navigo Pass because I thought it would be useful, if I go again to Paris or if I have to change from one train station in Paris to another. But if it's not possible to charge it with money, then it's not useful for me.

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Why as a tourist do you buy zone 1-3 and not only 1-2?
Because some tourist attractions are also outside zone 1-2. But then I'll visit them with the special weekend ticket.
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Old February 7th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #1810
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Paris Visite is also an option for tourists.

http://www.ratp.fr/en/ratp/c_21894/paris-visite/
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Old February 8th, 2011, 05:09 AM   #1811
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I purchased a 2-day Paris Visite pass when I was in the city. It's reasonable & provides a whole weath of transit options for tourists. Bus, Metro, & RER. I liked it a lot.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #1812
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Why does Paris hate longitudinal seating so much? The US does it and seemingly very few issues come out of it.....
In US most transit systems are catered towards the poorest and the tiny minority of those who, being able to afford cars, prefer not to use them. Hence, those solutions that decrease comfort - like longidutinal seating in all cars - are more accepted than in Europe.

It is a trade-off: all-longidutinal seating increase comfort on peak times, but make the system far less atratctive and looking "cheap" in the middle of the afternoon, essentially meaning people will have to travel standing more times.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 01:55 PM   #1813
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Average people don't seem to hate longitudinal seating in Paris, these seats are always full.
The problem is more the conservatism of RATP.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 02:19 PM   #1814
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In US most transit systems are catered towards the poorest and the tiny minority of those who, being able to afford cars, prefer not to use them. Hence, those solutions that decrease comfort - like longidutinal seating in all cars - are more accepted than in Europe.
I believe pragmatism was more of a reason to opt for longitudinal seating than what you suppose: a longitudinal arrangement increases both passenger capacity and facilitates passenger flow (ie how fast people can enter/exit the train). That's why most large systems (London, Moscow, Tokyo) use this seating arrangement.
The reason for the RATP preferring a more conventional seating arrangement is probably more to be found in RATP preferences than social considerations across the Atlantic...
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Old February 9th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #1815
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A new station with automatic platform gates.

Saint Lazare



See how tall are these doors in Paris unlike in Asian cities where those are smaller.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 04:03 PM   #1816
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How many stations on Line 13 have PSDs now?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 04:18 PM   #1817
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Three stations
-Chatillion Montrouge
-Miromesnil
-Saint Lazare.

The next station to be equipped is Champs Elysées Clemenceau.
I also saw some preparation work in Invalides
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Old February 10th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #1818
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I see. Are they going to install PSD's at all of the stations eventually? Just like Line 1? Or only at the busiest stations?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 04:34 PM   #1819
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All the stations of the Central part (between Montparnasse and Place de Clichy) and two stations in the periphery.



I don't understand why they don't build PSD's in Mairie de Clichy as it is busiest station outside the center.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 04:39 PM   #1820
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Ah yes I was in Saint Lazare the other day and quite surprised to see these platform gates
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