Abandoned skyscrapers - Page 6

Benonie · February 8th, 2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim856796

I reject this proposal. All of the land needs to become greenspace.

But you're not the owner of this property. The landlord has got other plans...

Jim856796 · February 8th, 2010, 04:24 PM

Well, those plans need to be cancelled. I don't feel like arguing with you on this subject. Try and say something that will scare me away from this thread altogether.

Now about the Bayer skyscraper, a plain billboard is just one way that a good skyscraper can be abused. Just look at One Times Square. It is covered up in several billboards, but I don't think its being abused. Both of the structures have no use at all. The first three floors of One Times Square have shops opening and closing all the time. And a productive use cannot be found for the Bayer building.

Benonie · February 9th, 2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim856796

Well, those plans need to be cancelled. I don't feel like arguing with you on this subject. Try and say something that will scare me away from this thread altogether.

You have a nice way of communicating, my friend ...

Well, most of the members of the Belgian Forum do like this plans, and so do I!

Soapy · February 9th, 2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim856796

I don't care about the expanding population, they are NOT right for this city. I reject this proposal. All of the land needs to become greenspace. How about, like, a mall or something (and not a shopping one)? The Finance Tower and the new building can stand alone in this site.

Do you you know how much that land is probably worth? Besides, green space wouldn't even match the cityscape either because it would be too abrupt. The only exception to this is Central Park on Manhattan, only because the city was built up so much around it, thus voiding it as a missing puzzle piece per se.

KAZAN RESIDENT · February 9th, 2010, 11:53 PM

Moscow ofice building "Zenith"

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dfwcre8tive · February 10th, 2010, 04:10 AM

Baker Hotel, Mineral Wells, Texas. One of the first skyscrapers built outside of a major city.

image hosted on flickr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_H...ells,_Texas%29

Jim856796 · February 10th, 2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Soapy

Do you you know how much that land is probably worth? Besides, green space wouldn't even match the cityscape either because it would be too abrupt. The only exception to this is Central Park on Manhattan, only because the city was built up so much around it, thus voiding it as a missing puzzle piece per se.

Two newly-built long lowrises and the mall will serve as an entrance gate to the Finance Tower after the existing lowrise gets torn down. Why do I keep getting objectionable messages?

Benonie · February 10th, 2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim856796

Why do I keep getting objectionable messages?

What do you mean with "objectionable messages"? You mean we just have to agree with you and than it's allright?...

ReiAyanami · February 10th, 2010, 06:05 PM

Piraeus tower, Athens, finished externally in 1983, never completed inside, sits vacant for almost 30 years:

540_804 · February 10th, 2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Benonie

The TBR-tower in the North District of Brussels (right) is abandoned for some years now.
There were plans for renovation (left). But this plans were rejected by NIMBY's of the residential apartment buildings next to the tower.

Why would NIMBY's reject plans to renovate an ABANDONED building next to theirs? Did they list any reasons? It seems renovating an abandoned property would not only make the neighborhood that much better, but would probably do wonders for their property values...

Benonie · February 10th, 2010, 11:25 PM

The neigbours are living in residential apartmentbuilding west of the TBR.
They are afraid that a higher tower will take their sun away in the morning (really!)
In our country, NIMBY's are strong, very strong....sadly anough...

Benonie · February 10th, 2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim856796

All of the land needs to become greenspace.

Last reaction (I promise

) and off topic: There is a green space on that site. It will remain there. But nowadays this park is mostly abandoned, because there are no people living in this area. So when they built the residential flats along the park, it will be much more lively.

On the other side of the Finance Tower, there's a very nice and bigger park called the botanic:

About 200 meter from the site there's the well known 'central' Waranda-park:

Or you can take the tram, the metro or cycle to one of the 100 Brussels parks and greenspaces. About 50% of the surface is greenspace, which makes Brussels one of the greenest capitals in Europe (official data!).
So there's no need for extra greenspaces in the city. Brussels needs more houses and flats, because of its expending population.

And that's exactly what they are gonna do on this abandoned site!

Jim856796 · February 11th, 2010, 09:01 AM

The two lowrises I suggested would contain offices and will be rectangular and the greenspace would be remodelled.

minneapolis-uptown · February 11th, 2010, 09:13 AM

Bunge tower in Minneapolis:

redevelopment plan:

Benonie · February 11th, 2010, 01:48 PM

Great development plans! I suppose those building is an abandoned grainsilo?

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Originally Posted by Jim856796

The two lowrises I suggested would contain offices and will be rectangular and the greenspace would be remodelled.

On this moment there are two million (2.000.000!) square metres of empty office spaces in Brussels....
Brussels needs more apartments to house the 150.000 inhabitants expected in the next years.

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Originally Posted by ReiAyanami

Piraeus tower, Athens, finished externally in 1983, never completed inside, sits vacant for almost 30 years

Why don't they just finish this building inside and finish it?

ReiAyanami · February 11th, 2010, 02:33 PM

Cause 1)it's Greece 2) Nobody cares 3) Skyscrapers were illegalized in the early 80s so no building over 27 meters is build since.

Benonie · February 11th, 2010, 05:37 PM

Strange... Are skyscrapers really illegal or are you just cynic about the urban policy in Greece?
And why does nobody care? Someone has put a lot of money in this project...

ReiAyanami · February 11th, 2010, 05:58 PM

The municipality owns it for decades, they just left it like that for no reason, and yes there is a 30 meters limit (later reduced to 27 meters) in height for all structures 30 years now. Skyscrapers are uneconomical, harmful to the environment, the landscape and represent the evil capitalism that wants to suck our blood, a monument to the foul ways of humankind.

Benonie · February 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM

Glad I don't live in Greece...

SaRaJeVo-City · February 12th, 2010, 04:55 AM

Hotel Bristol IN Sarajevo stood abandoned since the war ended in 1995, just recently renovation has started on the hotel, it will be 4 stars. After the war it was badly damaged and finally its being renovated.

During its Abandoned Era

Several years ago renovation started but was shortly stopped, I believe due to complications in the ownership of the building.

here are some renovation pics

Future Look

February 8th, 2010, 04:24 PM	#102
Jim856796 The Q&A Guy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Citizen of the World Posts: 6,743 Likes (Received): 7	Well, those plans need to be cancelled. I don't feel like arguing with you on this subject. Try and say something that will scare me away from this thread altogether. Now about the Bayer skyscraper, a plain billboard is just one way that a good skyscraper can be abused. Just look at One Times Square. It is covered up in several billboards, but I don't think its being abused. Both of the structures have no use at all. The first three floors of One Times Square have shops opening and closing all the time. And a productive use cannot be found for the Bayer building. __________________ I honestly think all development projects must be dashing, sustainable, and futureproof. You support the good projects... and oppose the bad.

February 11th, 2010, 09:01 AM	#113
Jim856796 The Q&A Guy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Citizen of the World Posts: 6,743 Likes (Received): 7	The two lowrises I suggested would contain offices and will be rectangular and the greenspace would be remodelled. __________________ I honestly think all development projects must be dashing, sustainable, and futureproof. You support the good projects... and oppose the bad.

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dfwcre8tive Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 295 Likes (Received): 2	Baker Hotel, Mineral Wells, Texas. One of the first skyscrapers built outside of a major city. image hosted on flickr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_H...ells,_Texas%29

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ReiAyanami BANNED Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,394 Likes (Received): 2	Piraeus tower, Athens, finished externally in 1983, never completed inside, sits vacant for almost 30 years:

February 10th, 2010, 11:25 PM	#111
Benonie Bike It! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,655 Likes (Received): 291	The neigbours are living in residential apartmentbuilding west of the TBR. They are afraid that a higher tower will take their sun away in the morning (really!) In our country, NIMBY's are strong, very strong....sadly anough...

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minneapolis-uptown Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 804 Likes (Received): 1	Bunge tower in Minneapolis: redevelopment plan:

February 11th, 2010, 02:33 PM	#116
ReiAyanami BANNED Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,394 Likes (Received): 2	Cause 1)it's Greece 2) Nobody cares 3) Skyscrapers were illegalized in the early 80s so no building over 27 meters is build since.

February 11th, 2010, 05:37 PM	#117
Benonie Bike It! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,655 Likes (Received): 291	Strange... Are skyscrapers really illegal or are you just cynic about the urban policy in Greece? And why does nobody care? Someone has put a lot of money in this project...

February 11th, 2010, 05:58 PM	#118
ReiAyanami BANNED Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,394 Likes (Received): 2	The municipality owns it for decades, they just left it like that for no reason, and yes there is a 30 meters limit (later reduced to 27 meters) in height for all structures 30 years now. Skyscrapers are uneconomical, harmful to the environment, the landscape and represent the evil capitalism that wants to suck our blood, a monument to the foul ways of humankind.

February 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM	#119
Benonie Bike It! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,655 Likes (Received): 291	Glad I don't live in Greece...

February 12th, 2010, 04:55 AM	#120
SaRaJeVo-City BANNED Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Saraybosna, BH Posts: 3,734 Likes (Received): 0	Hotel Bristol IN Sarajevo stood abandoned since the war ended in 1995, just recently renovation has started on the hotel, it will be 4 stars. After the war it was badly damaged and finally its being renovated. During its Abandoned Era Several years ago renovation started but was shortly stopped, I believe due to complications in the ownership of the building. here are some renovation pics Future Look