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Bahnsteig4 · June 22nd, 2007, 12:09 AM

Grotlaufen · June 23rd, 2007, 08:49 PM

When do they start tearing down the Südbahnhof? After the football cup 2008?

Anyways, as bad as Südbahnhof is today, every new construction replacing this mess can only be something genuine good. A renovation would only have been a waste of money, given its freak location to the U-Bahn net and the long distance one has to traverse to get from one to the other end of the station.

Bahnsteig4 · June 9th, 2008, 02:54 PM

It's been a while, but here come some more pix:

Local Public Traffic:

http://www.hauptbahnhof-wien.at/de/index.jsp

rheintram · June 11th, 2008, 01:26 PM

Construction is already taking place, mostly in the underground. Vienna's new Central Station (right now there is no such thing, but the most important station is Westbahnhof) will also include what is right now Südtirolerplatz subway, tramway and s-bahn station. This part is under heavy reconstruction at the moment and the s-bahn part is almost finished already.

this map shows how urban and commuter transport will be connected to the Central Station:

Blue Lines = S-Bahn
Red Line = existing U1 subway
Purple Line = planned U2 extension
Black, Lime, Teal = tramway. Note that Teal (Line 18) is a premetro line
Green, Orange = buslines

Justme · June 11th, 2008, 06:29 PM

I think it looks pretty good, but I am still amazed that Vienna, such an important city, has never had a central Station. It must be the only major city in the developed world which hasn't (even most American cities have or had a monumental central station.

thun · June 11th, 2008, 08:39 PM

According to my definition of "Central Station" (being one station where most trains go to/through) other cities didn't/don't have one, London and Paris being the most famous ones. Until a few years, Berlin hadn't a central station either. So it's not that unique

Kevlargeist · June 12th, 2008, 12:15 PM

About time! It's sure has been long time since Vienna had a good-looking railway station.

neorion · June 12th, 2008, 01:46 PM

Wonderful project. When I was in Vienna I found that the only missing grand and attractive infrastructure was the railway station (surprisingly). This is set to change coz the new station looks great!!

EPA001 · June 14th, 2008, 05:53 PM

It certainly is a nice looking Central Station. And it is a huge improvement compared to the current stations. If the development around the station gets off the ground also, this can be a nice new district for Vienna!

flierfy · June 14th, 2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thun

According to my definition of "Central Station" (being one station where most trains go to/through) other cities didn't/don't have one, London and Paris being the most famous ones. Until a few years, Berlin hadn't a central station either. So it's not that unique

It's rather a main station than a central station. There are other rail stations in Wien that are far closer to the city centre.

Paulo2004 · June 15th, 2008, 01:24 AM

Quite ordinary. Nothing special.

Slartibartfas · June 15th, 2008, 11:51 PM

We don't want a new world wonder, we want an efficiently working and nice looking new main railway station. If you know the status quo, it will be a large step forward.

I guess Vienna has already enough sights, I can live with people not coming to Vienna just to see the main railway station.

Slartibartfas · June 15th, 2008, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neorion

Wonderful project. When I was in Vienna I found that the only missing grand and attractive infrastructure was the railway station (surprisingly). This is set to change coz the new station looks great!!

Well, the major railwaystations were all bombed to dust during the war, or those that survived somewhat the bombardments where torn down by wise men.

The Franz Josephs railwaystation could still exist for example, but they preferred to tear it down and build a new extremely ugly station on a slightly moved location, which has btw torn down again in the last years and the once again new station opened just this year.

Justme · June 16th, 2008, 12:50 AM

Did Vienna then have a major station in the past? What did it look like?

Shezan · June 18th, 2008, 02:47 AM

amazing project

Anekdote · June 20th, 2008, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justme

Did Vienna then have a major station in the past? What did it look like?

I think Vienna had one or more (not sure) major railway stations which were destroyed during the WW2.

Kevlargeist · June 20th, 2008, 02:22 PM

Major Viennese railway stations from the past:

The old Franz-Josefs-Bahnhof in 1880

Nordbahnhof in 1908

Ostbahnhof in 1880

Südbahnhof in 1875

Nordwestbahnhof in 1870

Westbahnhof in the 1860s

Dinivan · June 20th, 2008, 05:07 PM

wow some of them look really nice, why were them demolished?

Kevlargeist · June 20th, 2008, 07:28 PM

All of them were damaged by the Second World War but some of them only partially or rather gently. The fact that some railway stations were structurally in a decent condition after the war wasn't very worthy back then since in the 1950s the idea of reconstructing Gründerzeit complexes like the railway stations wasn't very popular. So they went with modern and demolished what was left of the stations.

This is at least what I remember reading about Viennese stations.

X38 · June 21st, 2008, 12:43 PM

This is a very nice station (the new one)

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June 9th, 2008, 02:54 PM	#23
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June 11th, 2008, 01:26 PM	#24
rheintram yeah, whatever Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 2,441 Likes (Received): 13	Construction is already taking place, mostly in the underground. Vienna's new Central Station (right now there is no such thing, but the most important station is Westbahnhof) will also include what is right now Südtirolerplatz subway, tramway and s-bahn station. This part is under heavy reconstruction at the moment and the s-bahn part is almost finished already. this map shows how urban and commuter transport will be connected to the Central Station: Blue Lines = S-Bahn Red Line = existing U1 subway Purple Line = planned U2 extension Black, Lime, Teal = tramway. Note that Teal (Line 18) is a premetro line Green, Orange = buslines __________________ www.rheintram.at - public transport news from western Austria and the Lake of Constance region

June 11th, 2008, 06:29 PM	#25
Justme Gotta lite? Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Woopie doo Frankfurt Posts: 4,554 Likes (Received): 10	I think it looks pretty good, but I am still amazed that Vienna, such an important city, has never had a central Station. It must be the only major city in the developed world which hasn't (even most American cities have or had a monumental central station. __________________ I'm doing my bit to save bandwidth by deleting my signature

June 14th, 2008, 05:53 PM	#29
EPA001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rotterdam metropolitan area Posts: 18,046 Likes (Received): 108	It certainly is a nice looking Central Station. And it is a huge improvement compared to the current stations. If the development around the station gets off the ground also, this can be a nice new district for Vienna! __________________ . "Atheism is more than just the knowledge that Gods do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature" - Carl Sagan

June 23rd, 2007, 08:49 PM	#22
Grotlaufen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 90 Likes (Received): 0	When do they start tearing down the Südbahnhof? After the football cup 2008? Anyways, as bad as Südbahnhof is today, every new construction replacing this mess can only be something genuine good. A renovation would only have been a waste of money, given its freak location to the U-Bahn net and the long distance one has to traverse to get from one to the other end of the station.

June 11th, 2008, 08:39 PM	#26
thun Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,608	According to my definition of "Central Station" (being one station where most trains go to/through) other cities didn't/don't have one, London and Paris being the most famous ones. Until a few years, Berlin hadn't a central station either. So it's not that unique

June 12th, 2008, 12:15 PM	#27
Kevlargeist Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Åbo Posts: 448 Likes (Received): 86	About time! It's sure has been long time since Vienna had a good-looking railway station.

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neorion BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,750 Likes (Received): 0	Wonderful project. When I was in Vienna I found that the only missing grand and attractive infrastructure was the railway station (surprisingly). This is set to change coz the new station looks great!!

June 15th, 2008, 01:24 AM	#31
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June 15th, 2008, 11:51 PM	#32
Slartibartfas Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stadlnova Posts: 6,501 Likes (Received): 260	We don't want a new world wonder, we want an efficiently working and nice looking new main railway station. If you know the status quo, it will be a large step forward. I guess Vienna has already enough sights, I can live with people not coming to Vienna just to see the main railway station. __________________ "All European states are small. The difference is between those who know it and those who don’t."

June 16th, 2008, 12:50 AM	#34
Justme Gotta lite? Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Woopie doo Frankfurt Posts: 4,554 Likes (Received): 10	Did Vienna then have a major station in the past? What did it look like? __________________ I'm doing my bit to save bandwidth by deleting my signature

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Shezan BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The 80s Posts: 16,307 Likes (Received): 1	amazing project

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Kevlargeist Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Åbo Posts: 448 Likes (Received): 86	Major Viennese railway stations from the past: The old Franz-Josefs-Bahnhof in 1880 Nordbahnhof in 1908 Ostbahnhof in 1880 Südbahnhof in 1875 Nordwestbahnhof in 1870 Westbahnhof in the 1860s Last edited by Kevlargeist; June 20th, 2008 at 07:27 PM.

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Dinivan BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Barcelona, Catalonia, EU Posts: 690 Likes (Received): 0	wow some of them look really nice, why were them demolished?

June 20th, 2008, 07:28 PM	#39
Kevlargeist Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Åbo Posts: 448 Likes (Received): 86	All of them were damaged by the Second World War but some of them only partially or rather gently. The fact that some railway stations were structurally in a decent condition after the war wasn't very worthy back then since in the 1950s the idea of reconstructing Gründerzeit complexes like the railway stations wasn't very popular. So they went with modern and demolished what was left of the stations. This is at least what I remember reading about Viennese stations.

June 21st, 2008, 12:43 PM	#40
X38 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Antwerpen Posts: 4,122 Likes (Received): 10	This is a very nice station (the new one)

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