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Old April 28th, 2012, 09:00 PM   #581
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When people are used to a dangerous situation they will act accordingly and watch out. If someone from let's say the Netherlands go to the station in Hungary it will create unsafe situation since people are not used to cross the tracks like this.

Eventually it's good when more and more stations will change into modern stations with higher platforms and safe crossings. It's not just more safe, but also better for the passengers when it comes to comfort with higher and wider platforms etc.

But money doesn't grow on trees, not all stations can all be changed over night. It's not that weird that station with more passengers will be improved before the smaller stations.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #582
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When people are used to a dangerous situation they will act accordingly and watch out. If someone from let's say the Netherlands go to the station in Hungary it will create unsafe situation since people are not used to cross the tracks like this.

Eventually it's good when more and more stations will change into modern stations with higher platforms and safe crossings. It's not just more safe, but also better for the passengers when it comes to comfort with higher and wider platforms etc.

But money doesn't grow on trees, not all stations can all be changed over night. It's not that weird that station with more passengers will be improved before the smaller stations.
True, and also people adapt their habits according local customs.

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Old April 28th, 2012, 10:53 PM   #583
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In any case, passenger gate are an easy, if patchy and still not-optimal, solution to avoid dangerous crossings.

What I realize is that some people are more fatalistic in certain countries in the sense of accepting a couple deaths every year from lower standards of security (not only in rail transportation) as "part of life". Maybe more damaging litigation and more dramatic press can help change that perception by instilling outcry for drastic measures "no matter the cost".

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There is another important factor in regard of passengers crossing track: platform height. The higher the platform, the less passengers will cross tracks and the more complex it becomes to build level crossings. Which all summed increases safety.

For instance, in the Netherlands platform heights are 760mm. That is pretty steep for most people and thus you will rarely see people crossing tracks in a station, whereas Spain (the other extreme) has many stations with 240mm platforms routinely violated by people crossing tracks instead of going through marked crossing or under/overpasses.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #584
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In any case, passenger gate are an easy, if patchy and still not-optimal, solution to avoid dangerous crossings.

What I realize is that some people are more fatalistic in certain countries in the sense of accepting a couple deaths every year from lower standards of security (not only in rail transportation) as "part of life". Maybe more damaging litigation and more dramatic press can help change that perception by instilling outcry for drastic measures "no matter the cost".

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There is another important factor in regard of passengers crossing track: platform height. The higher the platform, the less passengers will cross tracks and the more complex it becomes to build level crossings. Which all summed increases safety.

For instance, in the Netherlands platform heights are 760mm. That is pretty steep for most people and thus you will rarely see people crossing tracks in a station, whereas [

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has many stations with 240mm platforms routinely violated by people crossing tracks instead of going through marked crossing or under/overpasses
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The same is true in Italy.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 11:48 PM   #585
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"no matter the cost".
Je bent op dit punt nog niet echt ingeburgerd in Nederland.

Money is always an issue, simply because there's no such thing as unlimited money. I agree that safety should be one of the top priorities when it comes to transport. But you have to be realistic to actually make a difference. Pointing out every single situation that could potentially be dangerous doesn't make the railways safe. You will end up with half solutions at all of those points. Working within a budget and looking at the points where the money can make the biggest difference is much more effective.

And at the end of the day there will always be accidents, no money can make any transportation system 100% safe. That doesn't have to mean that nothing has to be done, but it's a good thing to remember when you talk about safety.
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Old April 30th, 2012, 05:21 AM   #586
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GRAZ Hbf (Graz CS): No horrible grade-level crossing on a through track!

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Horrible grade-level crossing on a through track. Not even a pedestrian gate!!!!
http://shrani.si/f/1V/lB/4acYx0GE/img2985.jpg

http://shrani.si/f/1y/y7/nwCEf5d/graz-29122011-310.jpg

http://www.grazhbf2020.at/en/visualizations
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Old May 1st, 2012, 01:03 AM   #587
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We can't see from the picture, but may be there are stairs too, and this is just used by railway personnel.
http://www.miniaturna-zeleznica.com/...B103%20026.jpg

It's used by passengers too, in order to get access to the other platforms. Most of passenger service is provided by multiple-units or push-pull trains.

BTW: Spielfeld (Slovene: Špilje) is a small municipality (about 960 inhabitents) in the district of Leibnitz in Styria. It was an Austria-Slovenia border crossing checkpoint until December 21 2007 when all immigration and customs checks ended after Slovenia joined the Schengen Area. The Slovene town opposite Spielfeld is Šentilj.


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Old May 1st, 2012, 09:23 AM   #588
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That bridge won't take you to the platforms, it's just a pedestrian route from the part of the village on the other side of the railway to the station. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old May 1st, 2012, 11:43 AM   #589
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German video about the Semmering Base Tunnel: http://www.bahnorama.com/ondemand/pl...pa_auf_Schiene
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Salzburg Hbf

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Salzburg Hbf (renovation and rebuilding)
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 03:58 PM   #591
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Some pics of the new HS line Vienna - St. Pölten (Vmax 250), which is about to enter service in December this year.

"Switch Hall" Hadersdorf


Wienerwald Tunnel (13,35 km)


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Old May 8th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #592
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Some pics of the new HS line Vienna - St. Pölten (Vmax 250), which is about to enter service in December this year.
More pictures are available. Provided by: http://www.bahnforum.info/smf/index....433#msg1357433

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Old May 8th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #593
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are they going to continue this HS line to Linz or is it already a HS line?
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Old May 8th, 2012, 08:08 PM   #594
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It's already a HS line, yes. By 2016 the whole Westbahn between Vienna and Linz will have 4 tracks, when the missing 16 km Ybbs - Amstetten enter service.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 03:25 AM   #595
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and here this train in motion




and from the inside

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Old July 7th, 2012, 03:25 AM   #596
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Test drives on the new HS link between Vienna and St. Pölten have started. Right now top speeds are slightly above 250 km/h but they'll increase them step-by-step to 330 km/h.



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will the railjet sets run at 330km/h? or will they use the obb ice trains at that speed?
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Old July 7th, 2012, 04:54 PM   #598
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IMO Railjets could probably run up to 300 km/h (already did 275 km/h), but the 330 km/h will be done by the ICE-S from DB.
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Old July 7th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #599
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The 330 km/h runs are just tests, the operational speed of the line will be 250 km/h. And the Railjet will run with it's max. speed of 230 km/h on the line.
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