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DJZG · October 25th, 2008, 07:39 PM

i've just spent 4 hours watching this travelogue with GE turned on and some time wikipedia too

damn this trip is awesome and definitely would love to travel there... maybe situation will improve in DPRK in few years...

and at the end of part 7 there is PS for those who are planning this to repeat:

Quote:

DISCLAIMER
Alltough we succesfully entered North Korea via Tumangan, we were later via e-mail told by our travel agency, that our trip caused serious troubles at KITC (the governmental "Korean International Tourist Company") and that they have enforced new regulations to avoid any not agreed (with KITC) entry via Tumangan in future.
I can therefore - untill KITC officially accepts this border point for tourists - not recommend to repeat what we did, as trying to do so might end up with another result...

so i'm considering to wait for some better times for travel

Gag Halfrunt · October 27th, 2008, 01:52 PM

The last two parts are up:

Part 8a: Kilchu - Pyongyang (1/2)

Part 8b: Kilchu - Pyongyang (2/2)

DJZG · October 27th, 2008, 03:48 PM

yep.... currently reading and not working

Timon91 · October 27th, 2008, 07:21 PM

It's quite funny (and sad) to see that all railway stations almost look the same and that all have a big poster of a laughing Kim Jong Il.

DJZG · October 27th, 2008, 08:58 PM

Kim Il Sung is on the pictures

his beloved father

Kim Jong Il is just maintaining his Juche ideology with a little bit help from Songun policy...

this last part was absolutely stunning for me... few years back i googled everything i could find about DPRK cause it was so mysterious to me...
when i was reading i was surprised they are going to that border crossing cause tourists aren't allowed there... and in his story he does say how soldiers were stunned to see anyone else but those local people... i can imagine they haven't seen no one else in their life... very strange feeling i think...

in one part he says, they travel 280kms for 10 hours... a trip of some 600kms lasts whole day... that must be an remarkable experience...

in a land with massive fuel shortage, with floods every year and millions dying of famine, i can only hope that people will survive to see better days...

***Xusein*** · October 28th, 2008, 07:53 AM

Wow, what a great journey. Don't know what to say except that I am in awe.

Verso · October 28th, 2008, 03:40 PM

Awesome journey. I'm surprised at the low feedback on that forum.

DJZG · October 28th, 2008, 05:42 PM

hmm i was thinking that too... but topic is located in international section and as i see most of users are from USA... so could be very little people saw it...

btw... i found information about a trip to DPRK

http://www.korea-dpr.com/kfa2007/regist-RT0209.htm

it's a little bit pro-korean... so i assume it's not for everyone... but they are offering much much more than standard tourist agencies...

WalkTheWorld · October 29th, 2008, 12:40 AM

More! More!

Timon91 · October 29th, 2008, 04:52 PM

Yes, it's such an interesting country, I read most travel reports I can find on the internet to get a good idea of the country. But that's almost impossible.

vlker · October 29th, 2008, 09:27 PM

I really enjoyed their reports. Me and my friends are for some time planning to go to Vladivostok by train. But North Korea? I wouldnt even think about it. These men are my heroes

My brother was this summer in demilitarized zone in South Korea and told me, that not a single tourist would be able to just reach the border

DJZG · October 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM

well DMZ is called that way cause it's a belt of no-man's land... from that side you can't possible get near NKorea border... there was an incident few months earlier when one woman got close to the fence and KPA shot her... there are news reports somewhere on internet...

i've read somewhere that they tested the old rail between two Koreas... and now seem rail is operating but only for cargo transport to Kaesong Industrial Park... according to Wikipedia, transport is very very low, 150 out of 163 return trips that had been done so far, the train carried no cargo at all...
i'm sure when all that regime ends, Korea will be connected by rail and highway as well...

regular tourist borders are at PyongYang airport and Chinese-Korean railway bridge called Friendship...
i think i would also travel there for sure... but i'm just too curious to stay only on designated routes... lol... they probably would end up searching me through PY somewhere

@vlker... man, if you're going to VV, then it's a shame not to go to Korea

i would choose somewhat different solution... train from Moscow to Beijing and from there train to PY...

urbanfan89 · October 29th, 2008, 10:11 PM

That's not entirely true. As a tourist you can visit Panmunjon from both the north and south side. There were tourist resorts in the north accessible from the south, but then Kim Jong Il decided to close it some time ago.

vlker · October 30th, 2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJZG

@vlker... man, if you're going to VV, then it's a shame not to go to Korea

i would choose somewhat different solution... train from Moscow to Beijing and from there train to PY...

You know...that´s just plans, next summer we decided to go to Pripyat - Ukraine and maybe Belarus. Vladivostok must wait

DJZG · October 30th, 2008, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vlker

You know...that´s just plans, next summer we decided to go to Pripyat - Ukraine and maybe Belarus. Vladivostok must wait

wow... i wanna go to Pripyat too

but my friends don't even wanna hear about that option...
if you plan something out, call me... i definitely would love to see it...

Verso · October 30th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Pripyat? Are you crazy?

DJZG · October 30th, 2008, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verso

Pripyat? Are you crazy?

lol well a little bit

we shouldn't go much offtopic but i can't stand not to reply on this

it's really not that big deal going into Exclusion Zone Pripyat...
accident happened more than 20 years ago and most of the radiation in air is long gone...
99% of remaining radiation is in ground and in object such as buildings and vehicles...
true, radiation levels are much higher than normal, but to have any effect on human we would have to live there for few months...
touristic routes to Pripyat are going for few years now and everything lasts for few hours... you go in and out the same day...
so a few hours of little higher radiation can be compared like 7 days sunbathing on Adriatic coast

Timon91 · October 30th, 2008, 06:24 PM

I'd love to go to Pripyat, I'm really anxious to see the Nucleair power plant. But I'm also just crazy

Get Smart · October 30th, 2008, 10:32 PM

truly excellent

vlker · October 31st, 2008, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verso

Pripyat? Are you crazy?

I think it´s not that dangerous. One journalist from czech rep. was with his photographer there, and they reported no problem. You must get some permition from goverment to enter the area (but according to them it´s just about corrupting some officer) and you get the geiger-computer. Then you can walk freely through Pripyat (excluding forests, where the radiation is on the higher level). After your trip, you return the geiger to security and they analyse, whether you received some dangerous level of radiation. Both the jurnalists had the radiation under the lovest level of danger.

Sry for OT

October 27th, 2008, 03:48 PM	#63
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October 27th, 2008, 07:21 PM	#64
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	It's quite funny (and sad) to see that all railway stations almost look the same and that all have a big poster of a laughing Kim Jong Il. __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

October 27th, 2008, 08:58 PM	#65
DJZG ...rodjen na Balkanu... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zagreb, HR Posts: 795 Likes (Received): 0	Kim Il Sung is on the pictures his beloved father Kim Jong Il is just maintaining his Juche ideology with a little bit help from Songun policy... this last part was absolutely stunning for me... few years back i googled everything i could find about DPRK cause it was so mysterious to me... when i was reading i was surprised they are going to that border crossing cause tourists aren't allowed there... and in his story he does say how soldiers were stunned to see anyone else but those local people... i can imagine they haven't seen no one else in their life... very strange feeling i think... in one part he says, they travel 280kms for 10 hours... a trip of some 600kms lasts whole day... that must be an remarkable experience... in a land with massive fuel shortage, with floods every year and millions dying of famine, i can only hope that people will survive to see better days... __________________ SimCity4 Contest

October 28th, 2008, 07:53 AM	#66
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October 28th, 2008, 03:40 PM	#67
Verso Synchronized User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ljubljana Posts: 19,304 Likes (Received): 437	Awesome journey. I'm surprised at the low feedback on that forum. __________________ take a ride on slovenian highways

October 27th, 2008, 01:52 PM	#62
Gag Halfrunt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 733 Likes (Received): 0	The last two parts are up: Part 8a: Kilchu - Pyongyang (1/2) Part 8b: Kilchu - Pyongyang (2/2)

October 28th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#68
DJZG ...rodjen na Balkanu... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zagreb, HR Posts: 795 Likes (Received): 0	hmm i was thinking that too... but topic is located in international section and as i see most of users are from USA... so could be very little people saw it... btw... i found information about a trip to DPRK http://www.korea-dpr.com/kfa2007/regist-RT0209.htm it's a little bit pro-korean... so i assume it's not for everyone... but they are offering much much more than standard tourist agencies... __________________ SimCity4 Contest

October 29th, 2008, 12:40 AM	#69
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October 29th, 2008, 04:52 PM	#70
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	Yes, it's such an interesting country, I read most travel reports I can find on the internet to get a good idea of the country. But that's almost impossible. __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

October 29th, 2008, 09:27 PM	#71
vlker VUT Brno in SSC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brno, Czech republic Posts: 294 Likes (Received): 0	I really enjoyed their reports. Me and my friends are for some time planning to go to Vladivostok by train. But North Korea? I wouldnt even think about it. These men are my heroes My brother was this summer in demilitarized zone in South Korea and told me, that not a single tourist would be able to just reach the border

October 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM	#72
DJZG ...rodjen na Balkanu... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zagreb, HR Posts: 795 Likes (Received): 0	well DMZ is called that way cause it's a belt of no-man's land... from that side you can't possible get near NKorea border... there was an incident few months earlier when one woman got close to the fence and KPA shot her... there are news reports somewhere on internet... i've read somewhere that they tested the old rail between two Koreas... and now seem rail is operating but only for cargo transport to Kaesong Industrial Park... according to Wikipedia, transport is very very low, 150 out of 163 return trips that had been done so far, the train carried no cargo at all... i'm sure when all that regime ends, Korea will be connected by rail and highway as well... regular tourist borders are at PyongYang airport and Chinese-Korean railway bridge called Friendship... i think i would also travel there for sure... but i'm just too curious to stay only on designated routes... lol... they probably would end up searching me through PY somewhere @vlker... man, if you're going to VV, then it's a shame not to go to Korea i would choose somewhat different solution... train from Moscow to Beijing and from there train to PY... __________________ SimCity4 Contest

October 29th, 2008, 10:11 PM	#73
urbanfan89 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,473 Likes (Received): 2	That's not entirely true. As a tourist you can visit Panmunjon from both the north and south side. There were tourist resorts in the north accessible from the south, but then Kim Jong Il decided to close it some time ago.

October 30th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#76
Verso Synchronized User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ljubljana Posts: 19,304 Likes (Received): 437	Pripyat? Are you crazy? __________________ take a ride on slovenian highways

October 30th, 2008, 06:24 PM	#78
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	I'd love to go to Pripyat, I'm really anxious to see the Nucleair power plant. But I'm also just crazy __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

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