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Old January 21st, 2013, 04:53 PM   #781
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A pretty bad accident happened today in the morning on Vienna's S45 between Hütteldorf and Penzing. Two Talent trains crashed into each other injuring 41 people (2 life-endangering). Up to this point there're only speculations regarding the cause.

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Old January 21st, 2013, 05:48 PM   #782
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The info that was given by an ÖBB executive was that there was a switch malfunction and it had to be operated manually.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 06:09 PM   #783
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The info that was given by an ÖBB executive was that there was a switch malfunction and it had to be operated manually.
That is definitely not the reason why this happened. One train should not have gotten the clearance to enter the section, but got it. A technical defect can be ruled out, IMO.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:58 PM   #784
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That is definitely not the reason why this happened. One train should not have gotten the clearance to enter the section, but got it. A technical defect can be ruled out, IMO.
The technical defect was the reason why manual operation was necessary and a mistake during manual operation was (signalling error) was the reason for the accident.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 12:59 AM   #785
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Like I said, no technical defect caused the accident.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 09:31 PM   #786
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The technical defect did not "cause" the accident, but without it, it would not have been possible, they way it occurred. Your sharp response towards NiGhtPiSH was not necessary.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:50 PM   #787
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What sharp response? I just stated the switch malfunction did not cause the accident. That is all I said.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 01:23 AM   #788
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Your response read like his message had been wrong. Yes he was actually talking about a precondition for that accident to happen while you were talking about the narrow definition of the cause. But lets not fill the whole thread with that. I think everything is clarified now.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 03:20 AM   #789
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On another forum I jsut read one of the most stupid lines ever, some cray folks complaining trains these days are easily written off because they are not strong, and that accidents are rare, thus trains should be more rigid so that even if a couple people get bruises or injuries trains survive more crashes as usable ones

Also people going on knee-jerk reactions saying that EMUs are bad because damage can't be isolated just on a few cars!

For sake, no railway company plans on having accidents as some sort of regular occurrence! At least passenger rail companies on developed countries.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:21 AM   #790
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This train has no commercial stops in Austria.
Not true. The sleeper train Moscow - Nice stops twice in Austria (Vienna, Innsbruck).
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 01:28 PM   #791
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Not true. The sleeper train Moscow - Nice stops twice in Austria (Vienna, Innsbruck).
Where can I buy a Nice - Innsbruck ticket?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 05:33 PM   #792
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I think you can only buy tickets to/from Russia, not between all combinations possible on stops. No big deal, AFAIK Trenitalia will also not sell you a Milano - Torino ticket on the Paris-Milano train...
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:07 PM   #793
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I think you can only buy tickets to/from Russia, not between all combinations possible on stops. No big deal, AFAIK Trenitalia will also not sell you a Milano - Torino ticket on the Paris-Milano train...
Well, I thought that there were no commercial stops for this train in Austria, which is why I asked.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 10:33 PM   #794
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Not true. The sleeper train Moscow - Nice stops twice in Austria (Vienna, Innsbruck).

It stops at Wien Meidling and Villach Hbf, but not at Innsbruck.


The train however can officially not be used for domestic trips within the EU (I assume that RZD has no licence to offer domestic trips within the European Union).


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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:04 PM   #795
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Before the closure for works during summer 2012 this train ran through the Brenner, not the Semmering and Tarvisio.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:41 PM   #796
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Since European trains companies can't operate domestic services in Russia, it is only fair their train companies are banned from operating such services within European Union as well.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #797
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Since European trains companies can't operate domestic services in Russia, it is only fair their train companies are banned from operating such services within European Union as well.
If they wanted to, could they set up a holding company in the EU? Seems a waste to drag carriages from France to Austria empty, unless they just add them on as they go.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:29 AM   #798
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I think you can only buy tickets to/from Russia, not between all combinations possible on stops. No big deal, AFAIK Trenitalia will also not sell you a Milano - Torino ticket on the Paris-Milano train...
Actually, it's not from\to Russia, it's from 1520 mm to 1435 mm or vice versa. Also, there is no rule or law that denies your leaving a train on earlier station. Boarding at later station is formally prohibited, but it's never strictly enforced, so as long as you have a valid ticket you would be able to travel.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 11:14 AM   #799
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I realize it has been only six weeks since the Vienna Hbf partially opened. I'm wondering when the next partial opening is expected and what more will open then. The next platform (7-8?) seemed to be well along when I was there yesterday. I guess it probably could be put into service this year. Is there a timeline available for planned future progress?
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #800
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the yellow area opened in dec 2012, so there is much more to come.
here is the official timeline (translated to english):

http://translate.google.at/translate...ex.jsp&act=url

Completion will be end of 2014/beginning of 2015.

a picture showing the other side of the construction site:


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a complete overview of the station

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