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Old February 17th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #921
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Enhancements to the Austrian rail network between 2014 and 2018-19

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Sounds like politicians still have Cold War mentality regarding borders.
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  • The current state is more a shame for Austrian transport politics than for ÖBB. If there is no political will, then no money is given to ÖBB to upgrade the infrastructure ...
  • Local politicians (in the Lower Austria province) are unfortunately more interested in a 2nd highway (2x2) connection between Vienna and Bratislava, than in a modernized railway ...
Austrian Government has outlined plans to invest over EUR 10 billion in railway infrastructure projects in the period 2014 to 2018-19.

With a total investment volume of approximately EUR 2 billion a year until 2018, ÖBB focused these investments mainly on:
  • the development of the Baltic-Adriatic Axis (Pottendorfer Line, Semmering Base Tunnel, Koralm Railway Line)
  • the four-track development of the Western line (freight rail bypass St. Pölten, Ybbs – Amstetten)
  • the continuation of the railway station initiative with the current projects Vienna central station, Salzburg central station, Graz central station
  • projects for suburban services in conurbations
  • noise protection measures
  • construction of park & ride facilities
  • enhancement of tunnel safety on existing lines
  • extensive reinvestments
ÖBB Infrastructure Zielnetz 2025 Ergebnisbericht
download pdf http://www.oebb.at/infrastruktur/__r...odeId=24317321

ÖBB Infrastructure Zielnetz 2025 Ergebnisbericht Anhang
download pdf http://www.oebb.at/infrastruktur/__r...odeId=24318738
  • ÖBB’s Infrastructure responsibility is to ensure that all requirements for safe, environmental-friendly, sustainable and affordable mobility on a state-of-the-art railway network in Austria are met.
  • The core business comprises the provision of a reliable railway infrastructure in line with demand as well as the safe and punctual operation of railway services. A decisive factor in this respect is an infrastructure suitable for the market in the required quality and at reasonable costs.
  • Another important field of activity is the planning and realization of rail infrastructure projects and to provide professional railway-specific construction services on an internal as well as external basis.
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Old February 17th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #922
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Not really. Connection to Hungary is pretty decent, but for some reason SK and CZ is of no importance to the government.
The A6 motorway to Slovakia was also built only in 2007 and there is still no motorway to the Czech Republic.
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Old February 17th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #923
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The A6 motorway to Slovakia was also built only in 2007 and there is still no motorway to the Czech Republic.
That is true. In contrast to railways though, three of them are under construction.
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Old February 17th, 2014, 11:54 PM   #924
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Sadly these inefficient, sometimes rudimentary or even non existing, cross-border connections are more like a rule than exception these days in Europe…

I wonder which two countries have the best (fast, frequent, at numerous places) rail connections between each other. Switzerland-France is not too bad, maybe also Germany-France? Sweden-Denmark perhaps or Belgium-Netherlands?
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Old February 17th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #925
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France beats them all, when it comes to cross boarder connections.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #926
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France beats them all, when it comes to cross boarder connections.
International rail passenger connections in France:

-1 connection to the UK (Channel tunnel).

-3 connections to Belgium, maybe 5 (Lille-Brussels HSL, Tourcoing-Mouscron, Ascq-Tournai, not sure about Maubeuge-Quevy and Jeumont-Erquelinnes).

-3 connections to Luxembourg (Longwy-Rodange, Audun le Tiche-Esch sur Alzette, Zoufftgen-Bettembourg).

-7 connections to Germany (Apach-Perl, Forbach-Saarbrücken, Sarreguemines-Saarbrücken, Wissembourg-Landau in der Pfalz, Lauterbourg-Wörth am Rhein, Strasbourg-Kehl, Bantzenheim-Neuenburg am Rhein).

-8 connections to Switzerland (Saint Louis-Basel, Boncourt-Delle, Morteau-Le Locle, Pontarlier-Les Verrières, Frasne-Vallorbe, Pougny Chancy-La Plaine, Annemasse-Geneva, Vallorcine-Le Châtelard).

-4 connections to Italy (Modane-Bardonnecchia, Viévola-Limone Piemonte, Breil sur Roya-Airole, Menton Garavan-Ventimiglia).

-5 connections to Spain (Cerbère-Portbou, Figueres-Perpignan HSL, Latour de Carol-Puigcerda, Hendaye-Irun -Adif/Rff-, Hendaye-Irun Ficoba -Euskotren, narrow gauge-).

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Old February 18th, 2014, 01:39 AM   #927
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There isn't really any proper place for discussing things like that…

France at least partially has the greatest number of connections because of its size and number of neighbours. It's not only the number that matter, but also frequency. Not saying that they are doing badly there, but still would be interesting to know how many of those connections have half an hourly or more frequent traffic.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #928
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I´m editing with the ones with many trains in black.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 02:16 AM   #929
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It's not just the numbers and frequency, but the infrastructural quality of those connections. HSR to England, Germany, Belgium, Spain and soon Switzerland as well (at least I remember there being such project co-financed by Switzerland). There's absolutely no contester to that.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 02:38 AM   #930
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Belgium - Netherlands has relatively poor connections given the length of the border.

- Roosendaal: 16 local trains to Antwerp, 12 intercities to Brussels (will increase to 16 soon, but all ICs will move to HSL in a few years)
- Hazeldonk (near Breda): 12 Thalys to Amsterdam, currently nothing to/from Breda (from 2016/2017: 16 direct HSTs, 16 ICs via Breda)
(Then there's a huge amount of nothing)
- Maastricht: 16 local trains to Luik per day

The connections between Germany and the Netherlands are better:
- Groningen - Leer: hourly crossing by Arriva
- Hengelo - Bad Bentheim: 1 train every 2 hours
- Enschede - Gronau: 2 trains/hour
- Arnhem - Düsseldorf: currently 1 ICE / 2 hrs, from june 2017 will have 1 local train/hour
- Venlo: 1 local train/hour
- Heerlen: 1 local train/hour
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Old February 18th, 2014, 03:23 AM   #931
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There are 8 railways (and 1 industrial rail) between Slovenia and Croatia, and there used to be 2 more (connections are poor though). OTOH, there are only 3 railways between Slovenia and Austria (Nazis blew up a railway bridge between Bad Radkersburg and Gornja Radgona).
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It's not just the numbers and frequency, but the infrastructural quality of those connections. HSR to England, Germany, Belgium, Spain and soon Switzerland as well (at least I remember there being such project co-financed by Switzerland). There's absolutely no contester to that.
The connection to Switzerland you talk about is the reopening of the Belfort-Delle line, wich is financed in part by Switzerland, yes, but it´s not a HSL nor TGVs will run on it (on the other hand, it will provide a quicker and faster access to a French TGV station for the Jura canton and the north of the Bern canton).

But the cross-border section between Boncourt (CH) and Delle (F) is already open, albeit only Swiss trains use it, since the missing section between Delle and Belfort (including the Belfort-Montbéliard-TGV station) was closed years ago (in 1990, I think).

Anyway, TGVs and ICEs have been entering Switzerland from France and Germany for many years now (from Belgium too, I believe, but I´m not completely sure).
And a new TGV Switzerland-Spain (Geneva-Barcelona) will start service soon.
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The way things can change if there is increased pressure on government bodies from all sides.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 06:52 AM   #934
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Connection with France via Basel is an unusual case. Vast majority of French trains only go to their own station in Basel, the only through trains are TGV's (7 per day) plus there are no Swiss trains going into France from here. From this particular spot connections with Germany are much better. Not only there are many more ICE's going through to Swiss station, but also one S-bahn line extends into Germany.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 11:34 AM   #935
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-3 connections to Belgium, maybe 5 (Lille-Brussels HSL, Tourcoing-Mouscron, Ascq-Tournai, not sure about Maubeuge-Quevy and Jeumont-Erquelinnes).

Both Quevy and Erquelinnes lost their cross-border passenger traffic a few
years ago. At the time it happened, it was difficult to put in place a
successful scheme of traffic because of lack of rolling stock able to work
under both 3 kV and 25 kV catenary ; so cross-border traffic was limited to
the station where loco exchange used to be done (Quevy and Jeumont).
That made the proposed services almost without real interest, hence their
very limited success which led to their cancellation. But now that Belgium has
acquired a sizeable pool of 3/25 EMUs, it would become possible to install
services such as Mons-Maubeuge and Charleroi-Maubeuge, which have much
more potential. So there's hope to see such services again.

So with France we have now Thalys, Eurostar, SNCF TGVs, plus the two
hourly services to Lille. Also 3 border crossings with freight service only :
Quevy, Erquelinnes, and Athus. And 2 mothballed ones, Givet and Adinkerke.
Only a shadow of the past, as there used to be 22 of those 60 years ago...

Service to the Netherlands has already been described elsewhere ; service to
Luxemburg is also quite good with one hourly IC and two hourly locals (from
Athus and Arlon); service to Germany is much worse, with only one border
point (and another for freight only) hosting an unfrequent local and a few
Thalys and ICEs. Surprising, knowing that Germany is the premier commercial
partner of Belgium... But again, no available rolling stock, on either side of
the border, able to work under 3kV and 25 kV catenary...
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Old February 18th, 2014, 12:29 PM   #936
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Connection to the Czech Republic is hardly getting a lot more attention. But the connection to Bratislava is indeed the biggest joke of it all. And the endless story of its upgrade is not a joke anymore but an entirely new dimension of failure. I mean, if a big tunnel is 20 years delayed, ok. That is an expensive and complicated project but a damn straight track that simply needs an upgrade two electfied double track of about 40 km? How difficult could that be? Apparently nearly impossible.
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15 years construction time, after a delay of already 10-20 years. Austria engineering stronk!
At least the upgrade to 160 km/h and the electrification together with selective two-track widening will be done in module 1, start of works 2017. In module 2 the remaining sections will be twinned. So I guess we can have 160 km/h electric traffic between Vienna and Bratislava around 2020 to 2022. Nevertheless, I agree: the timeframe is a joke...
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Oh really? Isn't it a waste of money to build selective double-track first just to construct a complete double track within another 10 years? Especially as the corridor already exists.

But whatever, electrification and upgrading to 160 km/h are the most important thing. Higher speeds wouldn't make a lot of sense I guess because of the limited length. If this will be really completed within the next 7 years, it is still a shame but at least with an end in sight. I mean those diesel trains are also ruining the new Hauptbahnhof with the tons of exhaust gasses that will turn the roof structure in a fairly short time.

What is the possible time saving on the track btw?
Currently a REX needs 17 min from Wien Hbf to Hausfeldstraße and 20 min from Marchegg to Bratislava hv. st. -> 37 min
I read somewhere that the straight stretch in the middle would be doable in 13 min -> 50 min from Vienna Hbf to Bratislava hv. st.

What is the speed on the Slovak part and are their improvements possible as well? What would be the possible time for a non-stop connection of Vienna Hbf. and Bratislava hl. st.?


PS: You can make it from Vienna to St. Pölten in 25 min ...
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Old February 18th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #938
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Oh really? Isn't it a waste of money to build selective double-track first just to construct a complete double track within another 10 years? Especially as the corridor already exists.

But whatever, electrification and upgrading to 160 km/h are the most important thing. Higher speeds wouldn't make a lot of sense I guess because of the limited length. If this will be really completed within the next 7 years, it is still a shame but at least with an end in sight. I mean those diesel trains are also ruining the new Hauptbahnhof with the tons of exhaust gasses that will turn the roof structure in a fairly short time.

What is the possible time saving on the track btw?
Currently a REX needs 17 min from Wien Hbf to Hausfeldstraße and 20 min from Marchegg to Bratislava hv. st. -> 37 min
I read somewhere that the straight stretch in the middle would be doable in 13 min -> 50 min from Vienna Hbf to Bratislava hv. st.

What is the speed on the Slovak part and are their improvements possible as well? What would be the possible time for a non-stop connection of Vienna Hbf. and Bratislava hl. st.?
About 40 minutes or a little bit less, depending on whether there will also improvements between Devinska Nova Ves and Bratislava hl. st.


BTW, for those who are interested in the planned timetable concept of 2025, this pdf might be of interest:
http://konzern.oebb.at/de/Presse/Pub...nect/index.jsp (edition 1/2014)

According to that hourly express services are planned between Vienna and Braislava (railjet and Eurocity-trains, each every 2 hrs).


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Old February 18th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #939
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Thank you for that link. I had no idea about the proposed timetable concept 2025. I think the map from that brochure deserves to be posted here:


http://konzern.oebb.at/de/Presse/Pub...ect_2014_1.pdf
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RJ to Italy will never happen, unless FS completely changes their regulations regarding fire suppression systems, or the RJ is equipped with one. Both is very unlikely to happen, imo.
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