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Old February 22nd, 2014, 09:59 PM   #961
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. Railways in Voralberg are incredibly slow. Even Innsbrück is too far away from Wien.
I'm sure ÖBB would love to build a faster line there. What is keeping you from giving them the money they need?
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 03:13 AM   #962
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Construction works of the SBT are expected to continue for the next ten years

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Not really. A new permit is going to be issued by the ministry and that's about it. The old permit was annuled purely on procedural grounds, nothing that could not be fixed.
Earlier this year, the Austrian Federal Railways has awarded a EUR 623 million contract ATF consortium to construct the central section of the 27.3km Semmering base tunnel (SBT).

The consortium includes Implenia, a Swiss construction and services company, and Austrian construction company Swietelsky. Implenia will serve as the technical lead. Under the contract, both companies will jointly perform work on the 13km-long middle section of the SBT.

Expected to be built using both TBM drilling for 8.6km and mining methods for 4.3km, the section involves 26 cross-passages, an emergency stop station and two 400-metre ventilation shafts to supply the entire construction site.

The project is expected to face challenges such as dealing with the geological conditions in the drilling zone, building materials supply, excavated matter removal.

The SBT is a part of Austria's new southern railway and links the country's Lower Austria and Styria regions between the villages of Gloggnitz and Mürzzuschlag. On completion of the tunnel, the section will decrease travel time by half an hour for trains between Vienna and Graz.

Construction works have been stopped by ÖBB (due to a judgement of the Higher Administrative Court VwGH) but are expected to be continued within the next six months.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:06 PM   #963
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Railways in Voralberg are incredibly slow. Even Innsbrück is too far away from Wien.
No. The main railway line in Vorarlberg is equipped for 140 to 160 km/h between Bregenz and Bludenz. What IS extremely slow is the connection over the Arlberg, with speeds as low as 60 or 70 km/h in many places. Upgrading this connection to higher speed would be a) extremely expensive, and b) extremely difficult. You would, more or less, need another 30 to 40 km long tunnel which is simply not economical for the comparably low traffic potential.

Now Vienna - Innsbruck takes 4:08 h with a direct railjet every two hours. This can easily compete with the travel times by car or by plane!
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 03:55 PM   #964
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... What IS extremely slow is the connection over the Arlberg, with speeds as low as 60 or 70 km/h in many places. Upgrading this connection to higher speed would be a) extremely expensive, and b) extremely difficult. You would, more or less, need another 30 to 40 km long tunnel which is simply not economical for the comparably low traffic potential ...
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 08:52 PM   #965
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i can't tell you exact speed on slovak side but there is quite heavy tracks reconstruction around devinska nova ves, just across morava river from marchegg. i'm not sure but it should be around 160 km/h (part of corridor to czech republic). to have nonstop wien-bratislava on the double track at 160 via marchegg would be wonderfull.
I don't know if the Slovakian side is 160 km/h to the border with CZ. If it is so, wouldn't connecting Wien via Marchegg to SK also make much quicker connection Wien - Brno possible via the Slovakian tracks?
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 09:41 PM   #966
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I don't know if the Slovakian side is 160 km/h to the border with CZ. If it is so, wouldn't connecting Wien via Marchegg to SK also make much quicker connection Wien - Brno possible via the Slovakian tracks?

No.

Trains would need to stop and change direction in Devinska Nova Ves.

Also to be considered:

Distance is longer, so a higher speed would be compensated by the longer distance. Wien Stadlau - Breclav is 79 km via direct line, but would be 106 km via Devinska.

Due to the alignment much lower speed limits will probably anyway remain near Kuty and between Lanzhot and Breclav.

The 160 km/h upgrade of he Austrian line is being done within the next 10 years anyway. This will reduce Wien Hbf - Breclav travel time from 56min in 2015 to 47min.


BTW, the time in the mentioned map of 60 minutes between Vienna and Breclav is actually NOT the planned travel time. It is the system time between the two transfer hubs Vienna and Breclav.

Vienna will be a hub at minute 30, Breclav as well. But that means that trains will depart Wien Hbf a few minutes after .30 and arrive Breclav a few minutes before .30.
For example Wien Hbf dep .38 - Breclav arr .25.

Then Brno can be reached at around .00 (also a perfect hub) , probably Pardubice at .30 and Praha hl n also at .30.


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Old February 23rd, 2014, 10:59 PM   #967
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@ Tauern Railway

Slovenian Railway Enthusiasts have published a pretty nice report Tauernbahn (2014-02-18) ... kjer zima dobi pravo vrednost:









http://www.vlaki.info/forum/viewtopi...08fd299ace5753

http://s558.photobucket.com/user/cok...?sort=3&page=9
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:02 AM   #968
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Some photos showing the current state of the reconstruction of Graz Hbf:















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Old February 24th, 2014, 01:29 AM   #969
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With the 2014 timetable a new diurect day time train Graz - Zurich was introduced.
Between Innsbruck and Zurich with this train the 2-hourly takt is now complete. All other trains of this takt are railjet-trains Vienna - Zurich. When the Graz-train runs passengers from/to Vienna can change in Innsbruck, so the 2-hourly takt exists also between Vienna and Zurich.

The Graz - Zurich train is a conventional loco-hauled Eurocity-train. It consists of 6 2nd class cars, a dining car, and 2 1st class cars. Except 1 SBB 1st class car all cars are provied by ÖBB.
On weekends the train has 2 more 2nd class cars.

A similar Graz - Zurich daytime train already existed between 1991 and 1995.
The new train departs Graz HBf at 9h45 and arrives Zurich HB 19h20. In the other direction it leaves Zuirich bHB at 8h40 and arrives at Graz at 18h14.
The train provides a direct service from Switzerland to many important tourist regions in Austria, such as Kitzbühel, Zell am See or Schladming.

The train on the 1st day of operation (2013-12-15):

























On weekends it happened already often that an additional 1st class car had to be attached, as there are usually many 1st class passengers over the Arlberg pass.
If available SBB provides a Panorama-car as an additional 1st class car.




































Starting with the 2015 timetable the Panorama-car will be used daily in that train.


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Old February 24th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #970
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Ljubljana über (via) Graz Hbf? Isn't this Graz Hbf? Nice photos otherwise.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:06 PM   #971
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No.

Trains would need to stop and change direction in Devinska Nova Ves.

Also to be considered:

Distance is longer, so a higher speed would be compensated by the longer distance. Wien Stadlau - Breclav is 79 km via direct line, but would be 106 km via Devinska.

Due to the alignment much lower speed limits will probably anyway remain near Kuty and between Lanzhot and Breclav.

The 160 km/h upgrade of he Austrian line is being done within the next 10 years anyway. This will reduce Wien Hbf - Breclav travel time from 56min in 2015 to 47min.


BTW, the time in the mentioned map of 60 minutes between Vienna and Breclav is actually NOT the planned travel time. It is the system time between the two transfer hubs Vienna and Breclav.

Vienna will be a hub at minute 30, Breclav as well. But that means that trains will depart Wien Hbf a few minutes after .30 and arrive Breclav a few minutes before .30.
For example Wien Hbf dep .38 - Breclav arr .25.

Then Brno can be reached at around .00 (also a perfect hub) , probably Pardubice at .30 and Praha hl n also at .30.


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They would not have to turn if there would be a new switch, right? But if OBB will invest in the Wien - Břeclav first there is no reason for it.

Wien - Brno is some 150 km... in my eyes a perfect 1 hour relation, especially when the Brno - Břeclav can be easily upgraded to 200 km. The same could be done in Wien - Břeclav relation.

The Wien - Břeclav hub is not that important in my eyes.

That's the way I would like to see it going. Especially when HSR between Wien - Brno is nowhere in the pipelines in the next 20 years.

So I would rather put the question like this. In what ways would need the track Wien - Břeclav - Brno to be upgraded to allow a one hour relation between Wien and Brno.
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So I would rather put the question like this. In what ways would need the track Wien - Břeclav - Brno to be upgraded to allow a one hour relation between Wien and Brno.
According to the timetable of EC 70 Gustav Mahler (runs daily from Wiener Neustadt Hbf. to Praha hl. n.) for the distance of 139 kilometers between Wiener Neustadt and Břeclav (CZ) the time of duration scheduled is 1 hour and 49 minutes, stop-overs included (Wien Meidling 4 min and Wien Simmering 2 min); additional stop-over in Břeclav is 12 minutes (arr. xx:53, dep. xx:05):
  • 23 minutes (distance 46 km) Wiener Neustadt - Wien Meidling
  • 20 minutes (distance 08 km) Wien Meidling - Wien Simmering
  • 60 minutes (distance 85 km) Wien Simmering - Břeclav (CZ)

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According to the timetable of EC 70 Gustav Mahler (runs daily from Wiener Neustadt Hbf. to Praha hl. n.) for the distance of 138 kilometers between Wiener Neustadt and Břeclav (CZ) the time of duration scheduled is 1 hour and 49 minutes, stop-overs included (Wien Meidling 4 min and Wien Simmering 2 min); additional stop-over in Břeclav is 12 minutes (arr. xx:53, dep. xx:05):
  • 23 minutes (distance 46 km) Wiener Neustadt - Wien Meidling
  • 20 minutes (distance 07 km) Wien Meidling - Wien Simmering
  • 60 minutes (distance 85 km) Wien Simmering - Břeclav (CZ)

The distance Wien Meidling (New Hbhf is between Meidling and Simmering) - Brno is exactly 160 km. Wiener Neustadt is irrelevant. Most of the EC take a minute more or less than 2 hours, the Brno - Wien relation taking on average bit shorter time.

The point is, that this should be doable in one hour instead of two, and the question is, what track standard would be needed on both sides in order to achieve this relation in one hour.


Right now the Brno - Břeclav track is 59 kms long and takes 34 minutes. The Wien Meidling - Břeclav is 101 kms and takes 82 minutes for the fastest trains (http://jizdnirady.idnes.cz/draha/?p=...CunmLMBl8Za:rm).

The Wien Hbf will be some 93 km, the train will not have to stop at Simmering and can go directly Wien Hbf - Břeclav.

Now if we want to have Wien Hbf - Brno in around 60 minutes, what kind of upgrade of the tracks would be needed to secure this, counting with a 3 minutes stop in Břeclav.

I believe that upgrade of the Brno - Břeclav track (I am guessing this could cost around 100 mil €, as there is not much to do, just one level crossing there) to 200 km/h can save around 4-5 minutes. Upgrade of the Wien - Břeclav track could get us? I think that if the track would allow 200 km/h we could get to under 45 minutes for the Wien Hbf - Břeclav.

Would it be enough for one hour tack? (some 75 minutes)

What if we upgraded the track to 230 km/h instead (max speed of Railjet and Pendolino)


I think that whoever is busy with planning this track should think about this, especially when the Wien - Břeclav track is going to be upgraded anyway.

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Old February 24th, 2014, 06:40 PM   #974
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I believe that upgrade of the Brno - Břeclav track (I am guessing this could cost around 100 mil €, as there is not much to do, just one level crossing there) to 200 km/h can save around 4-5 minutes. Upgrade of the Wien - Břeclav track could get us? I think that if the track would allow 200 km/h we could get to under 45 minutes for the Wien Hbf - Břeclav.

Would it be enough for one hour tack? (some 75 minutes)

What if we upgraded the track to 230 km/h instead (max speed of Railjet and Pendolino)


I think that whoever is busy with planning this track should think about this, especially when the Wien - Břeclav track is going to be upgraded anyway.
An added problem is that the whole gain in time would have to be realized between Süßenbrunn and Breclav or even Straßhof and Breclav. If you upgraded Brno-Breclav to 200 km/h over most stretches such that you'd have an average speed of 170 km/h between the cities, that would result in a travel time of 21 min. Add 3 min stop in Breclav. This would result in a target travel time of about 32 min for Vienna main station to Breclav. The 16 km from Vienna main to Süßenbrunn are very difficult - not to say impossible - to upgrade (within built-up areas) and will stay with a 80 km/h limit. Thus, it would already take 12 min until the start of the HSL is reached, leaving 20 min target time for Süßenbrunn - Breclav, or 70 km. Thus, the average speed would have to be 210 km/h which might just be doable with a 230 km/h line. However, the line would have to follow its existing track (no elongation by bypassing towns along the line possible as this would make the line longer) and this could result in significant NIMBY-ism in the towns along the line.

I agree that Vienna - Brno in one hour would be nice to have, but I don't think I'll live to see it...
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These are the potential time-saving measures between Wien Hbf and Breclav:

Breclav - Gänserndorf 160 km/h upgrade: 7,1 min
Breclav - Gänserndorf 200 km/h upgrade: 3,8 min (compared to 160 km/h)
Breclav - Gänserndorf 230 km/h upgrade: 1,8min (compared to 200 km/h)
Gänserndorf - Süssenbrunn 160 km/h upgrade: 2,3 min (higher speeds are a no-go here for capacity reasons, as this section also has frequent suburban trains)
New Süssenbrunn junction for 100 Km/h instead of 50/60 km/h: 2,3min
Süssenbrunn junction - Wien Stadlau 160 km/h: 0,5min

Between Wien Stadlau and Wien Hbf the alignment cannot be changed, so the current speed limits are fixed.


Possible travel time on current infrastructure is 56min.

The max. total time saving with all measures would be ~18 minutes, so 38minutes could be achieved.
However, these measures cost much more than the planned 160 km/h-upgrade Breclav - Süssenbrunn. As it was agreed with the Czech side that the hub structure shall be Brno - 30 - Breclav - 60 - Wien, and as a travel time of less than 60 minutes between Brnbo and Wien is unreachable anyway, a travel time of 47min will be sufficient between Wien and Breclav.



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These are the potential time-saving measures between Wien Hbf and Breclav:

Breclav - Gänserndorf 160 km/h upgrade: 7,1 min
Breclav - Gänserndorf 200 km/h upgrade: 3,8 min (compared to 160 km/h)
Breclav - Gänserndorf 230 km/h upgrade: 1,8min (compared to 200 km/h)
Gänserndorf - Süssenbrunn 160 km/h upgrade: 2,3 min (higher speeds are a no-go here for capacity reasons, as this section also has frequent suburban trains)
New Süssenbrunn junction for 100 Km/h instead of 50/60 km/h: 2,3min
Süssenbrunn junction - Wien Stadlau 160 km/h: 0,5min

Between Wien Stadlau and Wien Hbf the alignment cannot be changed, so the current speed limits are fixed.


Possible travel time on current infrastructure is 56min.

The max. total time saving with all measures would be ~18 minutes, so 38minutes could be achieved.
However, these measures cost much more than the planned 160 km/h-upgrade Breclav - Süssenbrunn. As it was agreed with the Czech side that the hub structure shall be Brno - 30 - Breclav - 60 - Wien, and as a travel time of less than 60 minutes between Brnbo and Wien is unreachable anyway, a travel time of 47min will be sufficient between Wien and Breclav.

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Then the question is whether this upgrade is needed at all (as the times would allow for 90 minutes already), and if it wouldn't it be better to concentrate on the HSR between Wien and Brno.
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Then the question is whether this upgrade is needed at all (as the times would allow for 90 minutes already),
90minutes is not enough.

To connect with trains to the west/south the trains from Praha shall arrive at Wien Hbf at .52 or .22, but not later.
So if trains depart from Brno a few minutes after the full/half hour, a net travel time of ~80 minutes is needed (not to be mixed with the 90minute system time between the transfer hubs).

If a travel time of under 30minutes (26-28minutes) from Wien Hbf to the next hubs at St. Pölten and Wr Neustadt was possible, then a arrival time from the east/north at .27/.57 would be OK.
But that's not the case, so trains from the east/north will have to arrive at about .22/.52.
Departure minute towards south/west from Hbf will be slightly before .00/.30 and the connection south-west will be made at Meidling.


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@ Reconstruction of Graz Hbf - Webcams

Webcams showing the current state of the reconstruction of Graz Hbf (project name 'Graz Hauptbahnhof 2020').

Graz Hbf NVD - streetcar stop (underground) - bus stop (street level)



http://www.bergfex.at/sommer/graz/webcams/c3233/

Graz Hbf - railway underpass (westbound ramp to the tram tunnel)



Graz Hbf - building site - platforms and new roof (still under construction)



http://www.bergfex.at/sommer/graz/webcams/c3239/



http://www.bergfex.at/sommer/graz/webcams/c3240/

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Styria (Steiermark) is a federal state (Bundesland), located in the southeast of Austria. In area it is covering 16,401 km². It borders Slovenia as well as six other Austrian states. The population (as of 2013) was 1,211,000. The capital city is Graz (265,000 inhabitants).

With the start of operation of the S-Bahn (suburban railway) Styria on 9 December 2007, the first stage of the largest suburban transport project in the history of Styria was realised.

The S-Bahn project was initiated by the Federal State of Styria and ÖBB and realised by the Styrian railway undertakings. Unlike Vienna's S-Bahn it is not operated by a single transport agency, but rather based on existing suburban and regional railways, operated by three different companies. Putting in operation the S-Bahn system was a major challenge - about 150 additional train connections on working days from and to Graz were established.

The introduction of the S-Bahn (suburban railway) system was a great success. Not only seen in the increase since 2007 (+ 58% passengers per day) and in the number of passengers daily (about 42.500 per day), but also in the improving attitude towards public transport as a whole.

The introduction of the S-Bahn (suburban railway) has been accompanied by a marketing campaign. A manual, "How to use public transport", was produced and sent to every household in the catchments area of the rapid-transit railway together with the timetable.

And, last but not least, on the S-Bahn (suburban railway) website, a fare saving calculator showed people how much money they could save by going by train instead of going by car. More people do without a car and thus not only go easy on the environment, but also on their purse.

S-Bahn (suburban railway), this means a dense traffic offered on various lines. Starting to / from Graz, early in the morning, there are trains at least every hour until midnight and beyond. The trains run every 15 to 30 minutes during the peak hours.

It is mandatory to hold a valid ticket in local lines (REX, R, S-Bahn).

Federal Austrian Railways (ÖBB) operates 4 S-Bahn routes in Styria:
S1 Graz - Frohnleiten - Bruck/Mur [dur. 48 minutes]
S3 Graz - Gleisdorf - Feldbach - Fehring (- Jennersdorf - Szentgotthárd HU) [dur. 98 minutes]
S5 Graz - Leibnitz - Spielfeld-Straß [dur. 52 minutes]
(S5) / S51 (Graz) - Spielfeld-Straß - Bad Radkersburg [dur. 90 minutes]



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additional 3 S-Bahn lines are served by the Graz-Köflach Railway (GKB):
S6 Graz - Werndorf - Hengsberg - Deutschlandsberg - Wies [dur. 65 minutes]
S61 Graz - Lieboch - Wettmannstätten - Deutschlandsberg - Wies [dur. 82 minutes]
S7 Graz - Lieboch - Voitsberg - Köflach [dur. 52 minutes]

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additional 2 S-Bahn lines are served by the Styrian Federal Railways (StLB):
(S1) / S11 (Graz) - Peggau - Übelbach [dur. 43 minutes]
(S3) / S31 (Graz) - Gleisdorf - Weiz [dur. 60 minutes]

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The project S-Bahn Styria has already received several awards. Because the attractive connections thanks to synchronised timetables, modern trains and short journey times in the conurbation Graz are exemplary on an international level. Many people now are encouraged to go by train to work or travel to their leisure destinations by public transport.

http://www.oebb.at/de/Reisen_in_Oest...k-Netzplan.pdf

This thread, released December 15, 2010, is dedicated to public transport in Graz:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1278959
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