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Old January 15th, 2011, 12:01 AM   #241
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Nobody in Poland do not know what's going on, because this Pendolino have to be equipped with tilt. But the company eventually withdrew from this, no one knows why. The railway line is now adapted to the speed of 250 km / h and do not know why. If Pendolino will be without tilt they could think about buying a modern rolling stock in Poland, which today can reach similar speeds. Simply adjust the lines to 200 km / h (for example ELF )

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Old January 17th, 2011, 10:37 PM   #242
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Similarly in Poland the incompetent Tusk government hasn't invested in the railway system nearly enough to keep the proposed plans. Not a single km of the Y has been built or is likely to start being built any time soon AFAIK. And already promissing more lines ... This is simply a political stunt.
we have high budget deficit so sorry but trains have to wait for their turn.

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Ridicolo So these trains shouldn't be called "Pendolino" cause this word is linked to "pendulare" > "tilting"
they didn't decided to buy pendolino it was tender, anyone could participate, pendolino won it. The tender was written for for normal high speed train and tilt was an option, so manufacturer decided to cut tilting to reduce cost. mystery solved.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 11:34 PM   #243
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we have high budget deficit so sorry but trains have to wait for their turn.
So Tusk should simply be honest and say that no high speed lines will be built instead of making empty promisses.

Plus, the public deficit is no obstacle for expanding the highways, is it?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 12:41 PM   #244
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High speed rail in Poland aren`t needed, they should invest in the rail with speed lines 230/km/h.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 12:53 PM   #245
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Why isn't high speed rail needed in Poland? Why would Poland not benefit from it if funding can be found?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 01:37 PM   #246
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Anyway, doesn't 230 km/h count as high speed?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 04:30 PM   #247
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Who will ride in Poland, whose train ticket will cost 300 PLN ( ~ 78 Euro ). We don`t need trains with max speed for example 360 km/h. I think that Poland needs train at a speed of 200-230 km / h. This is my opinion. For example, rail market experts explain that the high-speed railways in Poland will not accept.
In my opinion, the main railway lines should be adjusted from 160 km/h to 230 km/h.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #248
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Why isn't high speed rail needed in Poland? Why would Poland not benefit from it if funding can be found?
The problem is that most lines have real speeds of between 40km/h and 100km/h. Only a couple of lines, and even those not in their full extent, can go up to 160km/h.

Expanding all major lines to 160km/h would already be a revolution for polish rail passengers. It would also dramatically increase the usefulness of the rail system in Poland and make it much more competitive against cars, planes and buses.

Then it comes costs. I don't know the figures, but suppose that the cost of preparing all major lines for 160km/h would cost X. The cost to make lines for 350km/h would probably be 10*X, because lines in Poland are already very streight, retification is largely unnecessary in order to dramatically increase speeds to 160km/h. But to achieve 350km/h new lines have to be built, with a new right of way. So if we have only X money, we can either upgrade to a decent speed all lines or upgrade 10% of the lines for max speed and have the rest going like turtles.

My oppinion is that high speed should be implemented after all major lines are going at 160km/h, and with a real average speed of no less then 120km/h. If there is money now for high speed, then it should be used instead, for example, for bringing Zabrze-Katowice-Sosnowiecs to 160km/h
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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:31 PM   #249
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Anyway, doesn't 230 km/h count as high speed?
Not in the European Union it doesn't. Well, don't get me wrong: you can call anything "high speed" if is significantly faster than what you used to have, but the European Commission has published a definition based on which it will accord subsidies to high-speed rail. This definition has it that new railways lines need to be designed for at least 250 km/h to qualify as high-speed. (At the time when the definition was agreed France and Spain pushed for 300 km/h, but the German laggards put their foot down...) An upgrading of existing lines to 200+ km/h may under some circumstances also qualify.
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Old January 27th, 2011, 02:27 PM   #250
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Who will ride in Poland, whose train ticket will cost 300 PLN ( ~ 78 Euro ). We don`t need trains with max speed for example 360 km/h. I think that Poland needs train at a speed of 200-230 km / h. This is my opinion. For example, rail market experts explain that the high-speed railways in Poland will not accept.
In my opinion, the main railway lines should be adjusted from 160 km/h to 230 km/h.
Well, and you right there is no need to project railway lines over 200 km/h. Do not forrget that train have to brake and accelerate, and distance beetween polish stations are not so high as we think. Now all main lines of polish railways are upgrading to 200 km/h for the train with swing box and 160 for regular one.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 11:12 PM   #251
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new modern regional trains in Poland (Malopolska region):







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Old January 29th, 2011, 01:21 PM   #252
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Poland needs more modern trains like the one above
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Old January 29th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #253
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EN77 "Acatus 2" while the first service in Poland.



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Old February 13th, 2011, 12:49 PM   #257
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How is construction progressing on the rail link from Frederick Chopin airport to the connection with the main Warsaw-Radom rail line at Służewiec and further on to Warsaw city centre? It is still on track to be finished and operational at the end of 2011? It would be really good if it was up and running at the end of this year as it would really boost Warsaw's image for Euro 2012
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Old February 18th, 2011, 07:46 PM   #258
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How is construction progressing on the rail link from Frederick Chopin airport to the connection with the main Warsaw-Radom rail line at Służewiec and further on to Warsaw city centre? It is still on track to be finished and operational at the end of 2011? It would be really good if it was up and running at the end of this year as it would really boost Warsaw's image for Euro 2012
Yep. The plan is to run the trains operated on a regular basis in December 2011. EMU are scheduled to begin arriving in June of this year. In addition, SKM bought another EMU's from Newag - similar to http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3550/img0010xe.jpg but low-floor.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 12:47 PM   #259
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So the line from Warsaw airport to Sluzewiec will be ready for use by the end of 2011as planned?
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So the line from Warsaw airport to Sluzewiec will be ready for use by the end of 2011as planned?
Probably yes. There are 50~100m still missing, but they already started the construction process. It remains to finish in late October, and technical acceptance by the end of November.
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