daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old May 11th, 2011, 08:59 AM   #281
Proterra
Korpus niedyplomatyczny
 
Proterra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Kowaniec
Posts: 148
Likes (Received): 230

Quote:
Originally Posted by manrush View Post
I wonder if there's a difference between the services offered by PR's Interregio system and PKP's Intercity system.
There's a big difference in the standards. EIC, although not fast - but that is because of infrastructure, has a quality (in my opinion) higher than in Germany, but also a high price (PLN 115 for Kraków-Warszawa) IR is just as slow/fast, only three times as cheap ( around PLN 45 for krk-wawa) but sometimes you need to stand for three hours, and the trains are very old.

Przewozy Regionalne, the company that runs IR, also run all the local services in cooperation with regional governments, and these old trains on these services are replaced (and then used for IR often) by brand new ones...
Proterra no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old May 15th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #282
kebe
Registered User
 
kebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Grochów (dawniej L-wo)
Posts: 949
Likes (Received): 243

Quote:
Originally Posted by Proterra View Post
There's a big difference in the standards. EIC, although not fast - but that is because of infrastructure, has a quality (in my opinion) higher than in Germany, but also a high price (PLN 115 for Kraków-Warszawa) IR is just as slow/fast, only three times as cheap ( around PLN 45 for krk-wawa) but sometimes you need to stand for three hours, and the trains are very old.

Przewozy Regionalne, the company that runs IR, also run all the local services in cooperation with regional governments, and these old trains on these services are replaced (and then used for IR often) by brand new ones...
If you want to consider the standards in the Polish railways should be to look at the full range of service operators.

Long Distance Trains
EIC - Express InterCity (IC) - the highest quality (imho quality higher than in international trains, for example, BWE), the highest price
TLK - Cheap Trains (IC) - lower quality, variable and depends on the railway line
RE - RegioExpress (PR) - usually higher than in TLK, a little lower price than TLK
IR - InterRegio (PR) - the lowest quality, EMU serving the inter-voivodeship routes

It should be noted that the IC will take you everywhere. PR supports only some routes. EIC runs only to Krakow, Katowice, Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk, Szczecin. To Lodz, Bialystok, Lublin, Bydgoszcz and other cities can only access via TLK and IR.

Local Trains
Os - passenger trains in the provinces. Quality and price varies by region and carrier. For now, the highest average quality Koleje Mazowieckie - new, renovated or rebuilt EMU's).
SKM - urban, serving agglomerations of Warsaw and Tricity.
kebe no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 18th, 2011, 01:48 PM   #283
sekelsenmat
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,139
Likes (Received): 50

Quote:
Originally Posted by kebe View Post
RE - RegioExpress (PR) - usually higher than in TLK, a little lower price than TLK
That's a wierd one. I have never seen such a train in Poland, but I researched a little bit and it seams to be the same thing as InterRegio, but with new trains. There exists maybe 2 or 4 daily trains in this category? The PR website doesn't even have a map with the network of this trains. Their map for "InterRegio and RegioExpress" just takes to a PDF where one cannot find the word "RegioExpress", it mentions only InterRegio trains. Quite confusing.

Also the short form RE, that confuses with RegionalExpress, which are DBahn trains, not related at all with RegioExpress.
__________________
True Democracy for Android - A realistic political simulation game where you are the premier/president and guides your country competing against other political parties =)

My blog about trains, politics and urbanism.
sekelsenmat no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 30th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #284
DocentX
Registered User
 
DocentX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 6,830
Likes (Received): 2187

ALSTOM : to Supply and Maintain a Fleet of 20 New Pendolino Trains for PKP Intercity

05/30/2011





The Polish operator PKP Intercity, in charge of long distance passenger transport, has awarded Alstom (Paris:ALO) a contract worth 665 million to supply 20 high speed trains, their full maintenance up to 17 years and the construction of a new maintenance depot. The first trains are scheduled for delivery in 2014.

PKP Intercity will operate the trains on existing routes in Poland: Warsaw-Gdansk-Gdynia; Warsaw-Krakow; Warsaw-Katowice. The travel time will be significantly shortened. The trainsets will travel between Warsaw and Gdansk in 2.5 hours, and between Warsaw and Krakow or Warsaw and Katowice in slightly more than 2 hours.

The trainsets of 7 cars each will be based on Alstom's standard New Pendolino platform. In line with the customer's specifications, they will not integrate the tilting system. With a maximum speed of 250 km/h, they will be able to carry up to 402 passengers. The trains will be manufactured at Alstom's Savigliano site in Italy, where Pendolino trains have been manufactured for more than 30 years.

"These new trains will enable passengers in Poland to experience a new level of quality and comfort. With their leading-edge technology, these trains meet the highest functionality and safety standards ", said Janusz Malinowski, President of PKP Intercity.

Alstom's New Pendolino trains are part of the company's strategy for sustainable development: they are 95% recyclable and are equipped with electrical brake systems enabling up to 8% savings in energy consumption and recycling up to 97% of power which is fed back into the catenary system.

Moreover, noise reduction has been subject of particular attention, so as to fulfil the new European standard. The train is streamlined to reduce noise through the roof, the design of its ends has been optimized aerodynamically and sound insulation has been increased under the body. Lastly, a shock absorber dumping system vibration has been placed on the wheels, between the rim and the centre, with a view to reducing noise in operation.

The interior outfitting has been enhanced: wide corridors and gangways will improve accessibility and the comfort of passengers. Video monitors and a video-surveillance system will ensure maximum safety.

As well as meeting the latest interoperability European standards (ERTMS), the trainsets for PKP Intercity will be equipped with signalling systems required to operate not only in Poland but also in Austria, Czech Republic and Germany.

In addition to rolling stock, Alstom will supply full maintenance of the trains up to 17 years in a new depot of 12.000m² which will be built in Warsaw. Some 100 people dedicated to commissioning, general warranty and full maintenance of the trains will work there.

"We are very happy to provide PKP Intercity with a "state of the art" high speed train, at its 4th generation. It is a service-proven train, therefore reliable and readily available ", commented Thierry Best, Chief Commercial Officer of Alstom Transport. "This contract demonstrates Alstom's expertise in mastering all businesses of the rail sector: rolling stock, information systems and services among others. It will allow Alstom to further strengthen its presence in Poland, where the Transport Sector of Alstom is already present with a plant in Katowice employing more than 500 people ", he added.

http://www.4-traders.com/ALSTOM-4607...city-13645780/
__________________
'Dream as if you'll live forever - live as you'll die today'
DocentX no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2011, 01:20 AM   #285
endrity
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,507
Likes (Received): 725

Why no tilting?
endrity no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2011, 03:51 AM   #286
Viriatuus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Porto
Posts: 19,350
Likes (Received): 1040



Those are tilting trains.
Viriatuus no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2011, 09:39 AM   #287
sekelsenmat
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,139
Likes (Received): 50

Quote:
Originally Posted by endrity View Post
Why no tilting?
To increase ALSTOM's profits. Aka: Alstom stockholders need a new yatch.

Now more seriously: They attended the licitation specifications without the tilts, so they removed them to increase profits.
__________________
True Democracy for Android - A realistic political simulation game where you are the premier/president and guides your country competing against other political parties =)

My blog about trains, politics and urbanism.

Last edited by sekelsenmat; May 31st, 2011 at 11:06 AM.
sekelsenmat no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2011, 03:54 PM   #288
SIMSI
Registered User
 
SIMSI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lublin
Posts: 6,748
Likes (Received): 1432

Quote:
Originally Posted by Viriatuus View Post


Those are tilting trains.
Unfortunately no
__________________
Nigdy nie jest tak źle, żeby nie mogło być jeszcze gorzej!
ale
Nigdy nie jest tak dobrze, żeby nie mogło być jeszcze lepiej!!!
SIMSI no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 3rd, 2011, 12:43 AM   #289
Viriatuus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Porto
Posts: 19,350
Likes (Received): 1040



If so why are they called "Pendolinos"?
Viriatuus no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 3rd, 2011, 01:34 AM   #290
slash89
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Košice, Bratislava
Posts: 112
Likes (Received): 39

Owing to the fact that the name "pendolino" itself suggests tilting then these are Pendolinos without pendolinos
slash89 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 4th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #291
Biesiada
Fanklub Warsaw Spire 220m
 
Biesiada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Warszawa
Posts: 131
Likes (Received): 6

pendolino in polish can be associated with a word "pend" which means speed. PKP simply needed only machines going up to 250 km/h. tilting trains can save time but only in mountainous countries. in poland it would be around 8 minutes for a 350 km long route warsaw gdansk and much less on 300 km warsaw -krakow, which is not necessary compared to cost reduction of 20 %
Biesiada no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 4th, 2011, 10:31 PM   #292
sekelsenmat
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,139
Likes (Received): 50

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biesiada View Post
pendolino in polish can be associated with a word "pend" which means speed.
"pendolino" is a latin-derivated word. See the following:

* Pźndulo in portuguese: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pźndulo
* Pendulum in english: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum
* Pendel in german: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendel

All of which are associated with tilt
__________________
True Democracy for Android - A realistic political simulation game where you are the premier/president and guides your country competing against other political parties =)

My blog about trains, politics and urbanism.
sekelsenmat no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 7th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #293
DocentX
Registered User
 
DocentX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 6,830
Likes (Received): 2187

examples of modern rolling stock across Poland :

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eurotram View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by schabzkoscia View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzulikiewicz View Post
Opolskie SA137 w trakcji podwójnej:

(c)bartiinysa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzulikiewicz View Post
Pierwszy 19WE już po przeglądzie poziomu 3:


Kolejne zaginione wróciły z Newagu do PKP IC:

(c) gielciu
Quote:
Originally Posted by ps-man View Post
I wszystko ładnie się chowa:





Quote:
Originally Posted by ps-man View Post
image hosted on flickr


Moje ulubione zdjęcie. Co prawda, lok Siemensa też niebrzydki i nie ma co porównywać z ezetem, bo to lok. Jednakże widać, że ładna jest mordka tego 19/20WE - szkoda, że pudło trochę nie pasuje do reszty.
__________________
'Dream as if you'll live forever - live as you'll die today'
DocentX no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 7th, 2011, 05:26 PM   #294
Luli Pop
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,529
Likes (Received): 40

this is the best rolling stock design since Desiro 642:



beautiful!
Luli Pop no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 8th, 2011, 06:26 PM   #295
Timon91
Error
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: just outside Germany
Posts: 5,783
Likes (Received): 46

I have a question: are there any plans to upgrade and/or electrify the railway Cottbus-Forst-Żary-Węgliniec/Legnica? I was in the EC Wawel last week and the railway is currently in a very bad condition, especially between Żary and Węgliniec. I read somewhere that the Berlin-Cottbus line is currently being upgraded to 160 km/h and that the Cottbus-Forst line will be upgraded to 120 km/h. The railway between Węgliniec and Legnica seems to have been renovated recently, which is a good step forward already. Too bad that it still takes 2 hours to complete the 100 km between Cottbus and Węgliniec.
__________________
My Flickr account.
Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.
Timon91 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2011, 11:54 AM   #296
imaginas
www.luz.gr
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Atenas
Posts: 315
Likes (Received): 179

Hello

Is there conection from Budapest to Crakow?And how many hours is the travel?In addition what type trains run in this route?
__________________
Photography
imaginas no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2011, 02:10 PM   #297
sekelsenmat
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,139
Likes (Received): 50

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timon91 View Post
I have a question: are there any plans to upgrade and/or electrify the railway Cottbus-Forst-Żary-Węgliniec/Legnica?
I don't think so. All the major upgrades planned for the 2011, 2012, 2013 are:

* Wroclaw-Poznań (about 50%, not everything)
* Sosnowiec-Kraków
* Kraków-Tarnów-Rzeszów
* Warszawa-Gdańsk
* Łódź-Warszawa (the remaining half)
* Some airport expresses

If you go to: http://www.plk-inwestycje.pl/mapa/

The line that you asked about isn't even mentioned.

Quote:
The railway between Węgliniec and Legnica seems to have been renovated recently, which is a good step forward already.
Not only seams. It was.

Quote:
Too bad that it still takes 2 hours to complete the 100 km between Cottbus and Węgliniec.
For me the worse part is that only 1 train daily in each direction does the route EC Wawel =(
__________________
True Democracy for Android - A realistic political simulation game where you are the premier/president and guides your country competing against other political parties =)

My blog about trains, politics and urbanism.
sekelsenmat no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2011, 02:14 PM   #298
sekelsenmat
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,139
Likes (Received): 50

Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginas View Post
Is there conection from Budapest to Crakow?And how many hours is the travel?In addition what type trains run in this route?
You can easily search for that kind of information:

* http://rozklad-pkp.pl/

or

* dbahn website

The answer is:

==========
Widok szczegółowy
Stacja/przystanek Data przyj. odj. Per/Tor Środki komunikacji Uwagi
Budapest-Keleti pu 10.06.11 19:55 EN 476
EuroNight
PKP Intercity, wagon bezpośredni, pociąg tylko z m. do leżenia i sypialnymi, pociąg z rezerwacją miejsc, wraz z dopłatą, na cz. trasy przekąski i napoje u konw. wag. sypialnego/kuszetki
Kraków Główny 11.06.11 06:56

Czas jazdy: 11:01; kursuje codziennie, oprócz 10. Gru
=============

Which means that it is a night train with only places to sleep and that you need to reserve in advance.
__________________
True Democracy for Android - A realistic political simulation game where you are the premier/president and guides your country competing against other political parties =)

My blog about trains, politics and urbanism.
sekelsenmat no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th, 2011, 10:56 PM   #299
ArtManDoo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 365
Likes (Received): 50

What about Warszawa-Gdańsk modernization. Is some parts of it already clear for running 160km/h or still max is 120?
ArtManDoo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 14th, 2011, 10:08 AM   #300
sekelsenmat
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,139
Likes (Received): 50

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtManDoo View Post
What about Warszawa-Gdańsk modernization. Is some parts of it already clear for running 160km/h or still max is 120?
No. In fact, because of the construction, the line is even slower then it was before the rebuilding started.
__________________
True Democracy for Android - A realistic political simulation game where you are the premier/president and guides your country competing against other political parties =)

My blog about trains, politics and urbanism.
sekelsenmat no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
railway, trains

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium