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Old March 31st, 2012, 11:39 PM   #401
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 12:58 AM   #402
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Investment worth about 600m $- Łodź Fabryczna

It will be located underground (in the "future" it will also serve High Speed Rail)

























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It's part of the huge investment called "New city centre" of Łodź.
600 m$ for all the urban projetc, but how much for the railway station ?
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 01:02 AM   #403
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600m$ only for the station
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 01:42 PM   #404
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Good to see that Poland apparently doesnd't want to comit the same error France, Spain and to some lesser degree Italy did by disintegrationing a lot of their HSR from the conventional rail network by building stations for the first which aren't served by the latter.
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Good to see that Poland apparently doesnd't want to comit the same error France, Spain and to some lesser degree Italy did by disintegrationing a lot of their HSR from the conventional rail network by building stations for the first which aren't served by the latter.
That's nonsense, all HSR stations in Barcelona or Madrid for example are served by suburban and regional trains. Only very minor stations are built out from a city centre if the city/town is not big enough to be worth to make the tracks pass by its center, but then you can just consider it as a train station where otherwise there should be none.
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 01:15 AM   #406
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600m$ only for the station
That's to much money !

In Morocco we are building 5 HST stations for a price between 22 and 30 millions euros.
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 02:57 AM   #407
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It will be main railway station for one of the biggest city in Poland (called Polish Manchester BTW ). It has strategic central location, it will serve many domestic and international connections.

Lodz Fabryczna will be used by all types of trains.

Also big cost is caused by simple reason- it will be underground station.


Just like Warszawa Centralna (distance between Lodz and Warszawa is more or less 120km)




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Old April 3rd, 2012, 02:08 PM   #408
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It will be main railway station for one of the biggest city in Poland (called Polish Manchester BTW ).
Some people would rather call it Detroit
Anyway from what I understand it's not just about the station building itself. All tracks leading to it have to be buried and this redevelopment project will be built on land which they previously occupied in the center of the city which was a huge waste.
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Anyway from what I understand it's not just about the station building itself. All tracks leading to it have to be buried and this redevelopment project will be built on land which they previously occupied in the center of the city which was a huge waste.
exactly

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That's to much money !

In Morocco we are building 5 HST stations for a price between 22 and 30 millions euros.
That is extremely cheap. These stations must be build somewhere outside urban areas...
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Old April 4th, 2012, 10:34 PM   #412
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Anyway from what I understand it's not just about the station building itself. All tracks leading to it have to be buried and this redevelopment project will be built on land which they previously occupied in the center of the city which was a huge waste.
you have never been to Detroit obviously, no where near, atleast Lodz is reviving despite being beaten down by commies for 60 years. no one deliberately destroyed Detroit and pulled down its once many architectural marevls.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #413
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Construction of the first Pendolino (Poland ordered 20) for PKP Intercity started in Italy. Trains should start operating in 2013.

According to PKP cheapest tickests (Warszawa-Kraków/Katowice, Warszawa-Gdynia) will cost about 60zl (15 euro)



Business class:







1st class:



2nd class:



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Old April 6th, 2012, 02:12 AM   #415
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you have never been to Detroit obviously, no where near, atleast Lodz is reviving despite being beaten down by commies for 60 years. no one deliberately destroyed Detroit and pulled down its once many architectural marevls.
In case of Łódź it was rather the transformation in the '90 and deindustrialization that followed.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #416
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Construction of the first Pendolino (Poland ordered 20) for PKP Intercity started in Italy. Trains should start operating in 2013.

1st class:



2nd class:


What is the difference between 1st and 2nd class except the colour of the seats???

Also the legroom in the Business class seems to be very small.

IMO there should be a noticeable difference in legroom and seat width between the different classes.


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Old April 6th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #417
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I quess it is just an example. It will probably look different. PKP said that they are still working on seats configuration and stuff with Alstom.
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The head rest things are also different. Funny thought, I had the exact samen question.

The buisiness class looks okay in my opinion.

Edit: Are these trains going to travel at 160 km/h? or maybe more, because they look like hight speed trains, but as far is I know, there is no high speed lin in Poland (yet).
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Old April 7th, 2012, 02:49 AM   #419
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De facto there is HSR line in Poland since late 70. (first in Europe)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centr...and)#section_4

Max speed after modernisation on that line will be up to 250 km/h (and there are plans for 300km/h). Pendolino should reach 220/230km/h.


Speed record on that line (and whole Mid-Eastern Europe) was established in 1994- 250,1 km/h- with Pendolino train BTW

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Old April 7th, 2012, 05:02 AM   #420
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Max speed after modernisation on that line will be up to 250 km/h (and there are plans for 300km/h). Pendolino should reach 220km/h.
Are you sure? I've heard it's going to be 200km/h for classic trains and 220/230 for Pendolino.
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