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Biesiada · March 28th, 2009, 01:04 AM

for me everything's clear. the simply send the "russkie" train on third class back rails not to disrupt main connection like warsaw poznan which is done at 160 km/h.

GrimFadango · March 30th, 2009, 08:39 PM

ee

WTF man? Some cities not caring bout international connection with two european capitals? Face it, some lines are in bad condition, some in better, some are modernised, but still... PKP/PLK are ones of those communist relics national compannies who are inable to tie up.

Jay · March 31st, 2009, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtManDoo

Any information about PKP passenger coaches. I mean PKP is replacing loco hauled trains with DMU and EMU trains.

I think there have been a bunch of new coaches built recently, for new locomotives like taurus

mgk920 · March 31st, 2009, 05:05 AM

Just out of curiosity, what standards are used in Poland, is it all western European standard gauge/buffer and chain coupling or is there some Russian broad gauge/coupling in the country? If the latter is the case, are there any maps available that show where each kind of track is in use?

Mike

Elvenking · March 31st, 2009, 10:45 AM

We have same kind of tracks, as all central and western Europe. Eastern Europe and Russia uses broad gauge.

There is however one non-electrified freight line called LHS that connects south-eastern Poland with Ukraine, but it's not used too often

ArtManDoo · April 1st, 2009, 03:28 PM

Might happen that I have change to visit Poland this May.

I surely would like to see some ST44 action and I need little help.
What are the lines with frequent ST44/ST40 action on?
What are the main depots for ST44/ST40?

Other series that I'm intrested in are ТЭ109, SM48, CME3, EP05, ET40, ET21, ET22.

How many ТЭ109 locos in Poland? Are they often in service?
What about CME3, where are thy used? And where I could catch some EP05 or ET40 loco?

Thanks

Iwan · April 1st, 2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtManDoo

I surely would like to see some ST44 action and I need little help.

I recommend www site:
http://rail.phototrans.eu

It's a rail database and photogallery, where You can find photos and data about rail stock (mainly from Poland, but also from other countries).
You can find rail stock by state, producer, operator, type, place where photos were taken.
For example here You can find all operators of M62:
http://rail.phototrans.eu/05,19,0.html
When You choose operator - LHS - You will get this list:
http://rail.phototrans.eu/2415,21,19.html

Quote:

What are the lines with frequent ST44/ST40 action on?

ST40??

Lines, where ST44 can be spotted:
Gdynia - Kościerzyna
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send

Tczew - Chojnice - Piła - Krzyż - Kostrzyn
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send

LHS (Sławków - Hrubieszów)
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send
http://rail.phototrans.eu/autobusy.p...send_data=Send

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Other series that I'm intrested in are ТЭ109, SM48, CME3, EP05, ET40, ET21, ET22.

http://rail.phototrans.eu

Quote:

How many ТЭ109 locos in Poland? Are they often in service?

http://rail.phototrans.eu/05,242,0.html

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What about CME3, where are thy used?

http://rail.phototrans.eu/05,71,0.html

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And where I could catch some EP05 or ET40 loco?

We have one working EP05, other were withdrown from PKP estate (but EP05 can't be spotted on regular duty, last EP05 stands on Warszawa Olszynka Grochowska depot and waits for repair.

You can "catch" ET40 in Gliwice and Tarnowskie Góry depots, ET42 in Zduńska Wola Karsznice. Due to bad PKP Cargo condition (financial crisis etc.) all ET40 and ET42 locos were sent to those depots for long period reserve.

karejeeta · April 8th, 2009, 02:35 AM

Szybka Kolej Miejska zamierza zakupić trzynaście nowych składów. Mają one być dłuższe od wykorzystywanych obecnie, dzięki czemu zabiorą więcej pasażerów.

Nowe elektryczne zespoły trakcyjne wyposażone będą w klimatyzację i monitoring, a także dostosowane do potrzeb osób niepełnosprawnych. Będą miały zwiększoną liczbę drzwi, obniżoną podłogę, dostosowaną do wysokości peronów oraz układ siedzeń podobny do tego z metra (wzdłuż ścian, frontem do środka wagonu).

Zamówienie będzie prowadzone w trybie negocjacji z ogłoszeniem, do których zaproszonych zostanie maksymalnie dziesięciu oferentów. Jeśli chętnych zgłosi się więcej, kryterium selekcji będzie zdolność kredytowa oraz doświadczenie ubiegających się o kontrakt firm (liczba dotychczas dostarczonych składów). Następnie w wyniku negocjacji ustalona zostanie Specyfikacja Istotnych Warunków Zamówienia. W ostatnim etapie oferenci złożą szczegółowe oferty z podaniem cen.

Najkorzystniejsza oferta zostanie wybrana na podstawie: ceny, warunków eksploatacyjnych i technicznych, a także terminu dostawy i okresu gwarancji. Na dostarczenie pojazdów wybrany w postępowaniu wykonawca będzie miał 27 miesięcy od dnia podpisania umowy. Będzie musiał również udzielić na nie minimum trzyletniej gwarancji i przez okres 3 lat zapewnić obsługę techniczną oraz szkolenia maszynistów.

Zamówienie obejmuje składy jednoprzestrzenne (bez przegród pomiędzy poszczególnymi członami) o długości przedziału pasażerskiego od 85 m do 95 m. W praktyce oznacza to, że pojazd będzie składał się z pięciu lub sześciu segmentów. To nowość ponieważ dotychczas kursujące pociągi są krótsze - składają się z czterech członów.

Szacunkowa wartość zamówienia to 299 mln złotych. Trwają starania, by zakup - jako inwestycja ważna z punktu widzenia organizacji EURO 2012 - był współfinansowany z funduszy europejskich, w ramach Programu Operacyjnego Infrastruktura i Środowisko.

Termin składania wniosków o dopuszczenie do udziału w postępowaniu upływa 4 maja 2009 roku.

Nowe składy kursować będą na linii z lotniska im. Fryderyka Chopina do Warszawy Wschodniej, a dalej do Legionowa i Sulejówka.

Wybrany tryb nie nakłada konkretnych terminów realizacji poszczególnych etapów postępowania. Według wstępnych szacunków umowa może zostać podpisana w październiku.

http://www.ztm.waw.pl/13nowych_skm.php

Chris80678 · April 9th, 2009, 11:37 AM

Here is a rough translation of the above Polish text taken by karjeeta:

Rapid Urban Rail intends to purchase thirteen new trains. They are intended to be longer than they are now, so that they can take more passengers.

The new electric units will be equipped with air conditioning and monitoring, and will be tailored to the needs of disabled people. They will have more doors, a lower floor, and will be adjusted to match the height of station platforms, and will have seating arrangements similar to the metro
( seats along the carriage sides going from the front to the middle of the carriage).

A contract will be conducted in the mode of negotiations with the announcement, which will be invited up to ten bidders. If you desire more reports, the selection criterion is creditworthiness and experience of applying for a contract company (number of stores supplied). Then, as a result of the negotiations will be determined in the relevant terms of the contract specification. In the last stage of the tender process the bidders will submit detailed bids with their own prices.

Our best offer is selected on the basis of price, technical and operating conditions, as well as the delivery date and warranty period. On delivery, vehicles made by the selected contractor will have 27 months from the date of signing the contract. It will also have to give them a minimum three-year warranty and a period of 3 years technical support and driver training.

The order includes one storey carriages with a length of between 85 m to 95 m. In practice, this means that the carriage will consist of five or six sections. This is because the new trains are shorter - they consist of four carriages.

The estimated contract value is 299 million zlotys. The continual efforts to purchase such an important investment for the organization of Euro 2012 - were co-financed fby EU funds, under the Operational Program for Infrastructure and the Environment.

The deadline for the submission of requests to participate in the tender process expires on Monday 4 May 2009.

The new trains will be run on a line from Warsaw's Frederic Chopin airport to Eastern Europe, and thence to Legionowa and Sulejówka.

There are no specific deadlines for the various stages of the proceedings. According to preliminary estimates, the contract may be signed in October 2009.

michal_OMB · April 24th, 2009, 12:18 PM

TRAIN part 1

michal_OMB · April 24th, 2009, 12:27 PM

TRAIN part 2

michal_OMB · April 24th, 2009, 12:37 PM

TRAIN part 3

michal_OMB · April 24th, 2009, 03:53 PM

TRAIN part 4

michal_OMB · April 24th, 2009, 04:01 PM

TRAIN part 5

karejeeta · April 25th, 2009, 02:28 AM

In Train Part Four the train En81-005 is at a station. What station is this? and is the ED74 still in use and on what line is it used on?

michal_OMB · April 25th, 2009, 11:36 AM

this station is Krakow (Cracow) Glowny

Elvenking · May 29th, 2009, 10:09 AM

Siemens ES64 test drive in Poland, 200km/h

And with 160

Iwan · May 29th, 2009, 07:36 PM

Today a new Poland speed record for locomotives was set by Siemens Eurosprinter ES64U4 Taurus.
PKP Intercity locomotive hauled three cars and another ES64U4 along a 36km long section Psary - Góra Włodowska of the Centralna Magistrala Kolejowa (Central Railway Route, the only high speed rail line in central-eastern Europe, length 223 km, built in 1971 - 1977, links Warsaw with Kraków and Katowice), reaching a maximum speed of 235 km/h.

rmcee · June 2nd, 2009, 01:16 PM

All about what's going to happen with the Polish railway network as foreseen in the Master Plan for Polish Railways till 2030 will be described in Railway Market - CEE Review issue 2/09. Deatails here: www.railwaymarket.eu

BTW - Polish railways do make a huge step forward (just look at the number of new purchases - SKM, KM, PKP PR, and other operators). But I think there are others who are able to make decisions quicker and look farther ahead (example - little Bosnia with their new Talgo trains!)

Mateusz · June 3rd, 2009, 07:47 PM

I hope that PKP as a relict of the past will be gone in 2011 and other companies will be able to operate in our market

Well, there is a bidding currently for 20 modern Electrical Multiple Units, well personally I am for Railjet but since it's EMU...

I am counting for Bombardier Zefiro

March 30th, 2009, 08:39 PM	#82
GrimFadango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kielce/Lublin Posts: 798 Likes (Received): 29	ee WTF man? Some cities not caring bout international connection with two european capitals? Face it, some lines are in bad condition, some in better, some are modernised, but still... PKP/PLK are ones of those communist relics national compannies who are inable to tie up. __________________ Z perkusistami jest jak z prezerwatywami. Bez - milej, z - bezpieczniej.

March 31st, 2009, 10:45 AM	#85
Elvenking Gentlemenel Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Gdynia Posts: 3,608 Likes (Received): 167	We have same kind of tracks, as all central and western Europe. Eastern Europe and Russia uses broad gauge. There is however one non-electrified freight line called LHS that connects south-eastern Poland with Ukraine, but it's not used too often __________________ "A pan myślisz, że chaotyczne kombinacje efemerycznych pryncypiów są w stanie zdeterminować neutralną cywitatywę absolutnego relatywizmu immanentno-transcendentalnej solipsystycznej jaźni? Tak czy nie?! Gadaj pan!!!" Zapraszam do... Lizbony, Gdyni oraz Szwecji

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March 28th, 2009, 01:04 AM	#81
Biesiada In the brig Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Warszawa Posts: 118 Likes (Received): 0	for me everything's clear. the simply send the "russkie" train on third class back rails not to disrupt main connection like warsaw poznan which is done at 160 km/h.

March 31st, 2009, 05:05 AM	#84
mgk920 Nonhyphenated-American Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Appleton, WI USA Posts: 2,585 Likes (Received): 8	Just out of curiosity, what standards are used in Poland, is it all western European standard gauge/buffer and chain coupling or is there some Russian broad gauge/coupling in the country? If the latter is the case, are there any maps available that show where each kind of track is in use? Mike

April 1st, 2009, 03:28 PM	#86
ArtManDoo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 187 Likes (Received): 1	Might happen that I have change to visit Poland this May. I surely would like to see some ST44 action and I need little help. What are the lines with frequent ST44/ST40 action on? What are the main depots for ST44/ST40? Other series that I'm intrested in are ТЭ109, SM48, CME3, EP05, ET40, ET21, ET22. How many ТЭ109 locos in Poland? Are they often in service? What about CME3, where are thy used? And where I could catch some EP05 or ET40 loco? Thanks

April 8th, 2009, 02:35 AM	#88
karejeeta tommy569 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 137 Likes (Received): 0	Szybka Kolej Miejska zamierza zakupić trzynaście nowych składów. Mają one być dłuższe od wykorzystywanych obecnie, dzięki czemu zabiorą więcej pasażerów. Nowe elektryczne zespoły trakcyjne wyposażone będą w klimatyzację i monitoring, a także dostosowane do potrzeb osób niepełnosprawnych. Będą miały zwiększoną liczbę drzwi, obniżoną podłogę, dostosowaną do wysokości peronów oraz układ siedzeń podobny do tego z metra (wzdłuż ścian, frontem do środka wagonu). Zamówienie będzie prowadzone w trybie negocjacji z ogłoszeniem, do których zaproszonych zostanie maksymalnie dziesięciu oferentów. Jeśli chętnych zgłosi się więcej, kryterium selekcji będzie zdolność kredytowa oraz doświadczenie ubiegających się o kontrakt firm (liczba dotychczas dostarczonych składów). Następnie w wyniku negocjacji ustalona zostanie Specyfikacja Istotnych Warunków Zamówienia. W ostatnim etapie oferenci złożą szczegółowe oferty z podaniem cen. Najkorzystniejsza oferta zostanie wybrana na podstawie: ceny, warunków eksploatacyjnych i technicznych, a także terminu dostawy i okresu gwarancji. Na dostarczenie pojazdów wybrany w postępowaniu wykonawca będzie miał 27 miesięcy od dnia podpisania umowy. Będzie musiał również udzielić na nie minimum trzyletniej gwarancji i przez okres 3 lat zapewnić obsługę techniczną oraz szkolenia maszynistów. Zamówienie obejmuje składy jednoprzestrzenne (bez przegród pomiędzy poszczególnymi członami) o długości przedziału pasażerskiego od 85 m do 95 m. W praktyce oznacza to, że pojazd będzie składał się z pięciu lub sześciu segmentów. To nowość ponieważ dotychczas kursujące pociągi są krótsze - składają się z czterech członów. Szacunkowa wartość zamówienia to 299 mln złotych. Trwają starania, by zakup - jako inwestycja ważna z punktu widzenia organizacji EURO 2012 - był współfinansowany z funduszy europejskich, w ramach Programu Operacyjnego Infrastruktura i Środowisko. Termin składania wniosków o dopuszczenie do udziału w postępowaniu upływa 4 maja 2009 roku. Nowe składy kursować będą na linii z lotniska im. Fryderyka Chopina do Warszawy Wschodniej, a dalej do Legionowa i Sulejówka. Wybrany tryb nie nakłada konkretnych terminów realizacji poszczególnych etapów postępowania. Według wstępnych szacunków umowa może zostać podpisana w październiku. http://www.ztm.waw.pl/13nowych_skm.php

April 9th, 2009, 11:37 AM	#89
Chris80678 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Scunthorpe Posts: 323 Likes (Received): 0	Here is a rough translation of the above Polish text taken by karjeeta: Rapid Urban Rail intends to purchase thirteen new trains. They are intended to be longer than they are now, so that they can take more passengers. The new electric units will be equipped with air conditioning and monitoring, and will be tailored to the needs of disabled people. They will have more doors, a lower floor, and will be adjusted to match the height of station platforms, and will have seating arrangements similar to the metro ( seats along the carriage sides going from the front to the middle of the carriage). A contract will be conducted in the mode of negotiations with the announcement, which will be invited up to ten bidders. If you desire more reports, the selection criterion is creditworthiness and experience of applying for a contract company (number of stores supplied). Then, as a result of the negotiations will be determined in the relevant terms of the contract specification. In the last stage of the tender process the bidders will submit detailed bids with their own prices. Our best offer is selected on the basis of price, technical and operating conditions, as well as the delivery date and warranty period. On delivery, vehicles made by the selected contractor will have 27 months from the date of signing the contract. It will also have to give them a minimum three-year warranty and a period of 3 years technical support and driver training. The order includes one storey carriages with a length of between 85 m to 95 m. In practice, this means that the carriage will consist of five or six sections. This is because the new trains are shorter - they consist of four carriages. The estimated contract value is 299 million zlotys. The continual efforts to purchase such an important investment for the organization of Euro 2012 - were co-financed fby EU funds, under the Operational Program for Infrastructure and the Environment. The deadline for the submission of requests to participate in the tender process expires on Monday 4 May 2009. The new trains will be run on a line from Warsaw's Frederic Chopin airport to Eastern Europe, and thence to Legionowa and Sulejówka. There are no specific deadlines for the various stages of the proceedings. According to preliminary estimates, the contract may be signed in October 2009.

April 24th, 2009, 03:53 PM	#93
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April 25th, 2009, 02:28 AM	#95
karejeeta tommy569 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 137 Likes (Received): 0	In Train Part Four the train En81-005 is at a station. What station is this? and is the ED74 still in use and on what line is it used on?

April 25th, 2009, 11:36 AM	#96
michal_OMB look here --> Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silesia/Poland Posts: 5,766 Likes (Received): 2	this station is Krakow (Cracow) Glowny __________________ SSCMANIA

May 29th, 2009, 10:09 AM	#97
Elvenking Gentlemenel Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Gdynia Posts: 3,608 Likes (Received): 167	Siemens ES64 test drive in Poland, 200km/h And with 160 __________________ "A pan myślisz, że chaotyczne kombinacje efemerycznych pryncypiów są w stanie zdeterminować neutralną cywitatywę absolutnego relatywizmu immanentno-transcendentalnej solipsystycznej jaźni? Tak czy nie?! Gadaj pan!!!" Zapraszam do... Lizbony, Gdyni oraz Szwecji

May 29th, 2009, 07:36 PM	#98
Iwan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Warsaw Posts: 3,199 Likes (Received): 84	Today a new Poland speed record for locomotives was set by Siemens Eurosprinter ES64U4 Taurus. PKP Intercity locomotive hauled three cars and another ES64U4 along a 36km long section Psary - Góra Włodowska of the Centralna Magistrala Kolejowa (Central Railway Route, the only high speed rail line in central-eastern Europe, length 223 km, built in 1971 - 1977, links Warsaw with Kraków and Katowice), reaching a maximum speed of 235 km/h. __________________ Krzysztof "Iwan" Waszkiewicz ****** Gumokol je zlý a vláček je hodný http://www.kolej.pl/ * http://www.eu07.pl/ * http://rail.phototrans.eu/ GG://3721721 tel: +48667841589 JID://iwan.eu@gmail.com

June 2nd, 2009, 01:16 PM	#99
rmcee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Warsaw Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 0	All about what's going to happen with the Polish railway network as foreseen in the Master Plan for Polish Railways till 2030 will be described in Railway Market - CEE Review issue 2/09. Deatails here: www.railwaymarket.eu BTW - Polish railways do make a huge step forward (just look at the number of new purchases - SKM, KM, PKP PR, and other operators). But I think there are others who are able to make decisions quicker and look farther ahead (example - little Bosnia with their new Talgo trains!)

June 3rd, 2009, 07:47 PM	#100
Mateusz Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 6,453 Likes (Received): 7	I hope that PKP as a relict of the past will be gone in 2011 and other companies will be able to operate in our market Well, there is a bidding currently for 20 modern Electrical Multiple Units, well personally I am for Railjet but since it's EMU... I am counting for Bombardier Zefiro

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