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Old December 14th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #1061
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Old December 14th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #1062
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Pendolino trains will only deepen the crisis of the Polish railways

Great, first Pendolino trains start their service !

But the truth is it will only deepen the crisis Polish railways are in. The new and very expensive Pendolino trains connect only few biggest cities and led to the elimination of other cheaper (and only slightly slower) trains. And more and more Polish towns lack any train connection, as many rail lines are being closed and even dismantled.

Take a look at this map - it shows every town with more than 10 thousand inhabitants without any train connection in 5 Central European countries:


In Poland there are 100 (sic!) such towns, in the nearby Czech Republic - just 1 !

These are the biggest Polish towns without access to any rail connection:
1. Jastrzębie-Zdrój - 92.000 inhabitants
2. Lubin - 75.000 inhabitants
3. Siemianowice Śląskie - 70.000 inhabitants
4. Łomża - 63.000 inhabitants
5. Mielec - 61.000 inhabitants
6. Bełchatów - 60.000 inhabitants
7. Piekary Śląskie - 58.000 inhabitants.
By comparision in Austria and Slovakia the biggest towns without any railway have only some 15.000 inhabitants each (Telfs and Levoca respectively).

Instead of buying expensive Pendolino trains for relatively few well-off passengers Poland should have modernised more local railways and provide rail connections to millions of ordinary people who live in small and medium size towns and cities across the country.


The other face of the Polish railways - once electrified and now closed line to Jastrzębie Zdrój (population 92.000!)

Source: http://www.kurierkolejowy.eu/aktualn...-w-Polsce.html ("Rail courier", article published on the 22th October 2014)
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Old December 14th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #1063
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Old December 14th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #1064
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Pendolino maiden voyage - 106 passengers onboard, 402 places available

We have the first official numbers: the very first Pendolino train (from Kraków to Warsaw) carried this morning ... 106 passengers (out of 402 places available). Most of the passengers had cheaper tickets bought well in advance and onboard there were many journalists to report on the maiden voyage of Pendolino ...

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Old December 14th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #1065
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Doesn't look great, but let's indeed reserve our judgement for at least a year.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 06:18 PM   #1066
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And the Kraków - Gdynia that is driving now is nearly full .

The first train was at around 6am. I don't take my Eurostar to London at that time either.

Until about an hour ago 4.500 people traveled with the Pendolino on the first day.

http://pieniadze.gazeta.pl/pieniadz/...try=1424807#MT
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Old December 14th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #1067
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Doesn't look great, but let's indeed reserve our judgement for at least a year.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #1068
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Congrats to Poland for their first HSR.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #1069
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Travel time:

Black: - previous
Red: - present

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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #1070
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Great, first Pendolino trains start their service !
These are the biggest Polish towns without access to any rail connection:
1. Jastrzębie-Zdrój - 92.000 inhabitants
2. Lubin - 75.000 inhabitants
3. Siemianowice Śląskie - 70.000 inhabitants
4. Łomża - 63.000 inhabitants
5. Mielec - 61.000 inhabitants
6. Bełchatów - 60.000 inhabitants
7. Piekary Śląskie - 58.000 inhabitants.
The towns above have tracks , we can only hope one day the trains will come back
becasue the Pendolino is not only the one good news today.

Regional railways companies extending operations
1)Lodzka Kolej Aglomeracyjna - 2 new suburban lines Lodz - Lowicz , Lodz - Koluszki, operated with new Stadler trains
2)Koleje Dolnoslaskie - new line Wroclaw - Walbrzych - Jelenia Gora operated with new Newag trains
3)new section of the line around Swinna Poreba dam on the way Krakow - Zakopane , 2 new bridges
4)Koleje Malopolskie started operation today , suburban line Krakow - Wieliczka operated with new Pesa trains
that will be extended to Balice airport next year
5)BiT , Bydgoszcz - Torun railways - 2 new Pesa trains

Yes I completely agree it was better to buy 40 Stadler (vmax 200) trains instead of 20 Pendolinos
for the same money

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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #1071
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Travel time:

Black: - previous
Red: - present

Red are estimates / time when everything will be finished meanwhile present situation looks as follow (data from PKP IC site):
Warszawa – Gdańsk 2h58min
Warszawa – Wrocław 3h42min
Warszawa – Kraków 2h28min
Warszawa – Katowice 2h34min
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #1072
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Those are excellent times, particularly to Krakow, Katowice and Gdansk. If service is frequent and timely it will be the top choice for people who value time the most.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #1073
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #1074
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #1075
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Great, first Pendolino trains start their service !

But the truth is it will only deepen the crisis Polish railways are in. The new and very expensive Pendolino trains connect only few biggest cities and led to the elimination of other cheaper (and only slightly slower) trains. And more and more Polish towns lack any train connection, as many rail lines are being closed and even dismantled.

Take a look at this map - it shows every town with more than 10 thousand inhabitants without any train connection in 5 Central European countries:


In Poland there are 100 (sic!) such towns, in the nearby Czech Republic - just 1 !

These are the biggest Polish towns without access to any rail connection:
1. Jastrzębie-Zdrój - 92.000 inhabitants
2. Lubin - 75.000 inhabitants
3. Siemianowice Śląskie - 70.000 inhabitants
4. Łomża - 63.000 inhabitants
5. Mielec - 61.000 inhabitants
6. Bełchatów - 60.000 inhabitants
7. Piekary Śląskie - 58.000 inhabitants.
By comparision in Austria and Slovakia the biggest towns without any railway have only some 15.000 inhabitants each (Telfs and Levoca respectively).

Instead of buying expensive Pendolino trains for relatively few well-off passengers Poland should have modernised more local railways and provide rail connections to millions of ordinary people who live in small and medium size towns and cities across the country.


The other face of the Polish railways - once electrified and now closed line to Jastrzębie Zdrój (population 92.000!)

Source: http://www.kurierkolejowy.eu/aktualn...-w-Polsce.html ("Rail courier", article published on the 22th October 2014)
I would rather say that trains should be used mostly on the most important internal and international connections between the biggest cities.

Then there should be agglomeration trains.

Connecting every city above 10 000 is certainly not a task for trains in the 20th and 21st century. Almost all those rails were build in 19th century, because the railway had then upper hand above the roads, there was no automobile.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 08:45 PM   #1076
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You claim that nowadays trains should connect only the biggest cities. So I have a question for you: why so many well-developed countries of our region - Germany, Austria or the Czech Republic - keep their railway network dense and provide rail transport to so many small cities and towns ? The answer is simple: rail transport is more efficient (one train can easily carry more people than 5 buses or 100 cars), safer and environment-friendly than the road transport.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #1077
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You claim that nowadays trains should connect only the biggest cities. So I have a question for you: why so many well-developed countries of our region - Germany, Austria or the Czech Republic - keep their railway network dense and provide rail transport to so many small cities and towns ? The answer is simple: rail transport is more efficient (one train can easily carry more people than 5 buses or 100 cars), safer and environment-friendly than the road transport.
It can be efficient, but I can tell you that most of the railway lines to all those small places in CZ are less efficient than a bus line. Many of those connections are kept because of the political reasons and sentiments.

Above that, it would make completely no sense, to build that infrastructure now. Yes, it is already there, so there are only maintenance costs. Any upgrades are extremely complicated. All regional railways are heavily subsidized and in CZ there have been tracks retired. As about the environment, those regional tracks are mostly not electrified and run on diesel anyway. I can assure you that a modern bus is more environment friendly. Maybe new diesl units are even better, but then you often need to upgrade the tracks etc... it really is a complicated matter. While roads are more crucial in those places.

Yes, it would be nice to utilize the railway more, but it is extremely expensive compared with buses and it really doesn't show as more efficient.

Railway is the most efficient between middle to big sized cities, on relation where it can compete with the automobile or planes.


Please don't get me wrong. I love railways and I would love to see adjustments of the Czech regional railway networks in some areas. Especially around and inside the biggest cities and conurbations. But building the railway network now as it was built in 19th century would be not wise.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #1078
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First Pendolino train in Poland:

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Old December 14th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #1079
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How about works on Warszawa-Bialystok line? When passenger Service will be resumed? And at the moment where are rerouted cargo trains?
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:52 PM   #1080
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These are the biggest Polish towns without access to any rail connection:
1. Jastrzębie-Zdrój - 92.000 inhabitants
2. Lubin - 75.000 inhabitants
3. Siemianowice Śląskie - 70.000 inhabitants
4. Łomża - 63.000 inhabitants
5. Mielec - 61.000 inhabitants
6. Bełchatów - 60.000 inhabitants
7. Piekary Śląskie - 58.000 inhabitants.
Just to put it in perspective, the largest cities lacking rail connections in the Netherlands with its benign geography, large population density and well developed rail infrastructure is as follows:

1. Amstelveen - 86.000 inhabitants
2. Spijkenisse - 73.000 inhabitants
3. Zeist - 61.000 inhabitants
4. Nieuwegein - 61.000 inhabitants
5. Oosterhout - 54.000 inhabitants
6. IJmuiden - 48.000 inhabitants
7. Ridderkerk - 46.000 inhabitants
8. Drachten - 45.000 inhabitants
9. Wageningen - 38.000 inhabitants
10. Waalwijk - 31.000 inhabitants

In the case of Amstelveen, Spijkenisse and Nieuwegein, these are part of a major metropolitan area and as such connected to a light rail network, but the same applies to Piekary and Siemanowice Śląskie in Poland. Not trying to say here that there aren't any issues needing to be resolved, just that Poland is in no way unique among developed European countries regarding "holes" in the rail infrastructure
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