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Old February 14th, 2015, 01:19 AM   #1181
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Hadid is propably the worst achitect ever. But those things in Central Station is not her design and, after all, it looks to be there strictly for visual matters.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 01:17 PM   #1182
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Actually Hadid became as bad architect as she's now, because her projects from the end of 20th century were significantly fresh and different from all that postmodernism appearing around then. There was a lot of useless ideology of course, but not as much as nowadays. Now her architecture is just an ideology without any utilitary element... Just look at this:

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Back to the topic: I won't ever be keen on any rebuilding Warsaw Central Station. For me it should be kept in its original form, which was actually really functional. For all Poles (or any people speak Polish) who don't believe me I recommend book "Źle urodzone. Reportaże o architekturze PRL-u" ("Born badly. Reportages about architecture of Polish Socialist Republic"), written by Filip Springer. I read it through three days in January, as interesting it is.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #1183
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PKP seem to have too much money to waste
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Old February 14th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #1184
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Commercial space means money for PKP.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #1185
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Hadid is propably the worst achitect ever. But those things in Central Station is not her design and, after all, it looks to be there strictly for visual matters.
She's a designer, no architect. Let her build sculptures, but not highly funtional buildings like a train station.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #1186
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Fantastic new station. If only Warsaw were able to get something of similar quality and aesthetics instead of the bulky Centralna.
Agree. Warsaw needs an attractive, modern central train station (ex. Berlin).
All over Poland, they're building great looking stations. In Warsaw, it's this stubborn attitude I don't like towards preserving this building.

I'd like to see a skyscraper built on top of this structure because currently, it doesn't fit the surroundings.



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Old February 15th, 2015, 11:25 PM   #1187
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You would end up with a skyscraper instead of the train station, not a good deal if you ask me.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #1188
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Lodz Widzew + depot by karol.ldz



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Old February 18th, 2015, 12:37 AM   #1189
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Is it usual to put up signalling before electrification? (or isn't it going to be electrified?)
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It won't be electrified before 2020
With the availible funds the options were: one electrified track or two non-electrified tracks. They chose wisely. It will be much easier now to gain EU or country funds for electrification rather than for building the second track.

Considering that this thing is already EU funded and EU wants no changes in 5 year period, then as xkk mentioned, no electricity before 2020.

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Why would Warsaw Central Station be renovated again? When I was there two years ago, it looked as if it was recently renovated?!
Regular renovation of Warsaw Central Station is the most celebrated Polish national tradition The station was built in early 1970s in great rush. The scientists calculated that it should take 10 years to build it, but the success–needing government pressed the builders to build it in only 1100 days - less than 3 years. Ironically, it took a whole following decade to fix the failures made in that 1100 days, so ultimately the scientists were right in the first place. After that, every 10 years or so there was an urge to renovate something again. The last renovation was before Euro 2012 so today its time for another one

What's more funny, around the year 2005 if there was a strong rain, the cleaning ladies were placing buckets in the main hall to collect water leaking through the roof. So after 30 years and so many repairs the roof still wasn't state of the art. But I heard they finally fixed it sometime before Euro 2012.

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Old February 18th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #1190
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Agree. Warsaw needs an attractive, modern central train station (ex. Berlin).
All over Poland, they're building great looking stations. In Warsaw, it's this stubborn attitude I don't like towards preserving this building.

I'd like to see a skyscraper built on top of this structure because currently, it doesn't fit the surroundings.



I'm ok with the central station now, it has grown on me. With all the changes that have taken place in Warsaw over the past 10 years, it has much more context and relevance. However, the land around it, specifically that little plot to the east that is used for parking, should be developed. They could squeeze a nice slender 35 story tower, then the station will cease to bother me entirely. It's the waste of space that is irksome, but then Rome has a similar modern station right across from where the baths of Caracalla used to be.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 12:58 AM   #1191
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Regular renovation of Warsaw Central Station is the most celebrated Polish national tradition ...
After that, every 10 years or so there was an urge to renovate something again. The last renovation was before Euro 2012 so today its time for another one
Every big building needs meintance but before Euro 2012 it was the first real renovation since decades and it was badly needed...
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Old February 18th, 2015, 01:44 AM   #1192
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They could build Zaha Hadid's design for Antwerpen on top of Warsaw's central station.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 02:18 AM   #1193
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However, the land around it, specifically that little plot to the east that is used for parking, should be developed. They could squeeze a nice slender 35 story tower, then the station will cease to bother me entirely. It's the waste of space that is irksome, but then Rome has a similar modern station right across from where the baths of Caracalla used to be.
You are aware that directly under that parking lot are the platforms? It would require to construct very strong "legs" running through platform hall, also to essentially strengthen ground below. This process would probably disrupt normal functioning of the station and cost enormously.

The only real chance is to built something light that can stay on the current covering of the platform hall.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 07:31 PM   #1194
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PKP plans east Poland electrification
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POLISH infrastructure manager PKP has commissioned WYG Consulting to carry out a feasibility study of the electrification and modernisation of approximately 100km of the Lublin - Stalowa Wola line in southeast Poland

The project is part of PKP's plan to modernise the entire north - south Olsztyn - Białystok - Lublin - Stalowa Wola - Rzeszów route and it plans to start the work in 2017

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Old February 18th, 2015, 10:44 PM   #1195
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Hi people.

I got one question about the train that connect Warsaw Chopin Airport and Warsaw Centralna.

How often does they leave the airport and how much does a two-ways ticket costs? I would appreciate if someone could hand over a schedule of the train.


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Old February 18th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #1196
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AFAIK There are like 3 trains/hour (red/white ones), every 5, 20 and 35 minutes after full hour (between 6 am and 11 pm), and single ticket costs 4,40 PLN (~1,1 EUR). But if you're going to use the public transportation during your stay in Warsaw, you can consider buying 24-hour tickets for 15 PLN (3,75 EUR) or special one for weekend stay (valid from friday 7 pm, till monday 8 pm) for 24 PLN (6 EUR), because the ticket you buy for this train is also valid in all buses, trams and underground. There is also second operator between Airport and Warszawa Centralna (they have green trains), but they go like once per hour and I think they don't accept single fare tickets (just these for 15 and 24 PLN).

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Old February 19th, 2015, 01:23 AM   #1197
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You would end up with a skyscraper instead of the train station, not a good deal if you ask me.
Think big.

A grande entrance to the main train station, with shops etc. Plus a nice looking skyscraper over this structure, with offices, maybe a hotel?
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AFAIK There are like 3 trains/hour (red/white ones), every 5, 20 and 35 minutes after full hour (between 6 am and 11 pm), and single ticket costs 4,40 PLN (~1,1 EUR). But if you're going to use the public transportation during your stay in Warsaw, you can consider buying 24-hour tickets for 15 PLN (3,75 EUR) or special one for weekend stay (valid from friday 7 pm, till monday 8 pm) for 24 PLN (6 EUR), because the ticket you buy for this train is also valid in all buses, trams and underground. There is also second operator between Airport and Warszawa Centralna (they have green trains), but they go like once per hour and I think they don't accept single fare tickets (just these for 15 and 24 PLN).
KM and SKM cross accept all of their tickets between Chopin Airport and Warsaw East (W-wa Wschodnia) - so from Chopin Airport there is train every 15 min effectively. The best choice is to ticket in ZTM fare - 20 minutes ticket, 40 min or like dual-core-power said 24 hour (1 zone) or weekend ticket.
With 24h (and above) tickets you can travel by every local train across Warsaw.
But be aware that some KM trains (green one) could not have validators so you need to activate ticket earlier (i think there is yellow validator at airport train station) or enter the train through first door and ask conductor to validate it manually.
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Think big.
A grande entrance to the main train station, with shops etc. Plus a nice looking skyscraper over this structure, with offices, maybe a hotel?
I rather imagine tiny entrance to the underground, looking like a metro station right next to this skyscraper, because it's more realistic. Take new Warszawa Zachodnia as an example:

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AFAIK There are like 3 trains/hour (red/white ones), every 5, 20 and 35 minutes after full hour (between 6 am and 11 pm), and single ticket costs 4,40 PLN (~1,1 EUR). But if you're going to use the public transportation during your stay in Warsaw, you can consider buying 24-hour tickets for 15 PLN (3,75 EUR) or special one for weekend stay (valid from friday 7 pm, till monday 8 pm) for 24 PLN (6 EUR), because the ticket you buy for this train is also valid in all buses, trams and underground. There is also second operator between Airport and Warszawa Centralna (they have green trains), but they go like once per hour and I think they don't accept single fare tickets (just these for 15 and 24 PLN).
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KM and SKM cross accept all of their tickets between Chopin Airport and Warsaw East (W-wa Wschodnia) - so from Chopin Airport there is train every 15 min effectively. The best choice is to ticket in ZTM fare - 20 minutes ticket, 40 min or like dual-core-power said 24 hour (1 zone) or weekend ticket.
With 24h (and above) tickets you can travel by every local train across Warsaw.
But be aware that some KM trains (green one) could not have validators so you need to activate ticket earlier (i think there is yellow validator at airport train station) or enter the train through first door and ask conductor to validate it manually.
Cheers mates, thanks.
But should I also validate the ticket if I travel with the SKM (red/white ones)?
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