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Old March 15th, 2015, 02:35 AM   #1241
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Old March 16th, 2015, 01:41 AM   #1242
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New IMPULS trains manufactured by NEWAG S.A. (polish company based in Nowy Sącz) for Silesian, Subcarpathian, Lesser Poland and Świętokrzyskie (pictures) voivodeships:

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Old March 16th, 2015, 03:03 AM   #1243
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Is that a commuter train or Intercity?
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Old March 16th, 2015, 03:47 AM   #1244
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Regional service, so rather commuter.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 04:18 AM   #1245
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The seats look very comfortable, especially for a regional train.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 01:02 PM   #1246
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It's not regional at all. The Southern Ordering Group (Południowa Grupa Zakupowa), managed by Silesian, Lesser Poland, Subcarpathian and Świętokrzyskie voivodeships, was invented to order commonly (so profitably) triple-segment trains for interregio services - operating as regional, but at long routes, between voivodeships. Each voivodeship has its own colour scheme and interior design, but technically they're all the same. Świętokrzyskie's trains seem to have the best interiors, especially seats.

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The purchase was participated in 70 percent by EU-funds. 19 units were bought: 6 by each Silesian, Lesser Poland and Świętokrzyskie and just one by Subcarpathian.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:12 PM   #1247
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I still dont get it. Why they decided to buy those pendolinos...Polish companies would be able to build trains atleast as good as pendolinos, if not better, for much lower price...
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:21 PM   #1248
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I still dont get it. Why they decided to buy those pendolinos...Polish companies would be able to build trains atleast as good as pendolinos, if not better, for much lower price...
I'm afraid they still wouldn't be able to do so. They don't have even a prototype of such train. Developing the HSR train is higher level than usual EMU!
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Old March 16th, 2015, 07:30 PM   #1249
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I still dont get it. Why they decided to buy those pendolinos...Polish companies would be able to build trains atleast as good as pendolinos, if not better, for much lower price...
Yeah, would be, but at this moment there's no Polish-made train, which could be compared to Pendolino. Take notice that contract with Alstom was signed 4 years ago.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 08:21 PM   #1250
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Nice, modern and comortable tranis for Małopolska!
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Old March 16th, 2015, 08:52 PM   #1251
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I still dont get it. Why they decided to buy those pendolinos...Polish companies would be able to build trains atleast as good as pendolinos, if not better, for much lower price...
From Pesa or Newag should we get only pretty lowly developed EMUs, based on Elfs or Impulses. And still operate up to 160 km/h. It's fact that single Pendolino's cost is higher twice than Flirt's or Dart's ordered two years ago by PKP Intercity, but those are unable to compare honestly. The difference is that Pendolino might be operated up to 250 km/h (and perhaps will be when sometime ETCS 2 will be installed on CMK) and those based on regional trains - just with 190 km/h, but in Poland will reach only 160 km/h, just like locomotive with single cars.

Should we pay as much for as developed trains, instead of normal ones, but more? Should we. In such a big country (in Europe's scale), nearly without moutains it's so easy to develop a HSR or something similar and it's really useful, as routes might be really long (e.g. Katowice - Gdynia). It's kind of... historical duty. The progress with slower (=cheaper) trains also happens and I'm really sceptic for the theory that more people might profit if replace 20 Pendolinos by 40 slower and less developed units. Because what? There's no proof or even clue for this.
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I still dont get it. Why they decided to buy those pendolinos...Polish companies would be able to build trains atleast as good as pendolinos, if not better, for much lower price...
They haven't make any offer answering the public tender. Guys already mentioned why - nobody in Poland can into HST.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 04:58 PM   #1253
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I'm afraid they still wouldn't be able to do so. They don't have even a prototype of such train. Developing the HSR train is higher level than usual EMU!
Are you trying to say that there was no alternative? I mean, even hypothetically...
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Are you trying to say that there was no alternative? I mean, even hypothetically...
PKP wanted to buy HSR train and none of polish manufacturer took part in the tender. I'm sure PESA would bid if they could deliver such train within requested time.

The alternative was to buy not HSR train but long distance EMU with speeds <=200 kmph, like they're doing now - vide Flirt and Dart for Intercity.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #1255
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Funny, but interesting idea that I am playing with sometimes. Would it be possible to merge Škoda transportation and Pesa SA without too much problem due to nationalism?

Both those companies are owned by private investors. Škoda is slightly bigger, but those companies are comparable in their size. Their portfolio overlap partially, but not totally. They could create both synergies and economies gains. They would improve their consolidated position on the market radically and could better compete with Siemens, Stadler, Bombardier etc...

But I guess, that nationalist issues would create problems, both in the companies, and perhaps on their Polish and Czech markets. What do you think?
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Old March 17th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #1256
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Solaris, the biggest and most successful Polish bus maker, already cooperates with Skoda building trolleybusses.

But I don't think a merger would be realistic in the short term. Pesa (and Solaris) expands in a good pace. Probably they want to stay independent and further conquer the market.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 09:18 PM   #1257
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Old March 17th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #1258
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Old March 18th, 2015, 01:06 AM   #1259
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Many photos and panoramas of the reconstruction of the station in Wrzeszcz (City: Gdansk, North Poland).
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Old March 18th, 2015, 01:05 PM   #1260
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Funny, but interesting idea that I am playing with sometimes. Would it be possible to merge Škoda transportation and Pesa SA without too much problem due to nationalism?

Both those companies are owned by private investors. Škoda is slightly bigger, but those companies are comparable in their size. Their portfolio overlap partially, but not totally. They could create both synergies and economies gains. They would improve their consolidated position on the market radically and could better compete with Siemens, Stadler, Bombardier etc...

But I guess, that nationalist issues would create problems, both in the companies, and perhaps on their Polish and Czech markets. What do you think?
I think it wouldn't cause problems like that, but the case is: why? Both companies operate well with very good positions at domestic markets. Excluding really huge projects, what might be announced only by foreign railway companies - DB, SNCF, maybe Trenitalia - there won't ever be anything what might justify such a cooperation. It's certain that Pesa and Škoda will rival more and more, but also still do the current stuff.

Nacionalistic issues in Poland might take place if to merge Pesa with some Russian company.
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