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Old May 11th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #1981
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Serbia is in recession for the past two decades.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #1982
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Are you kidding? Serbia's GDP increased 5-fold since 2000.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #1983
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Are you kidding? Serbia's GDP increased 5-fold since 2000.
cheers to that ,and let it increase even more
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Old May 11th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #1984
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...and is still a long way to reach only a level of GDP from 1989. (therefore, my sentence)
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Old May 11th, 2011, 05:23 PM   #1985
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Neat aerial view ( old footage though) about one minute in of the new Danube bridge U/C at Beska - the last bottleneck along the Belgrade-Novi Sad motorway...the bridge itself is now almost complete and should be opened to traffic later this year:

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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:51 AM   #1986
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Old May 12th, 2011, 07:34 PM   #1987
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Serbia lacks EUR 2 billion for road construction

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12.5.2011 15:15:00 | Author/Source PressCut

Serbia should allocate EUR 330 million each year in order to repair all its roads in 6 years, according to assessments made by Serbia’s national road construction company Putevi Srbije.

Serbia has recorded 153 car accident fatalities since the beginning of 2011, and the number of the injured is twice larger. Even though car accidents are mostly caused by drivers, bad roads also put people at risk. A study made in 2010 indicated that Serbia had 262 dangerous road sections.
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Map of so-called "black spots" in Serbia - a lot of them are along the Ibar highway and other roads leading towards Montenegro:

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Old May 13th, 2011, 01:49 AM   #1988
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Are you kidding? Serbia's GDP increased 5-fold since 2000.
True, and I'm convinced that Serbia will catch up in many spheres rather fast, but it still will take maybe another 50 years to fully heal the scars of socialist/commie rule, only of course if everything goes smooth(which isn't that probable knowing that we live in the Balkans where there are still some serious political problems)...
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Old May 13th, 2011, 03:22 AM   #1989
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During comunism we (Romanians) envied Yugoslavia for its semi-socialist regime (Yugoslavs were allowed to work in Western Europe and bring money home).
In many aspects we considered Yugoslavia the most de-comunized socialist country:
- no Soviet army on your soil (neither in Romania)
- good commercial relations with the West
- many km of highways
- private property in agriculture (Romania had 80% colective agriculture)
etc.

There were negative aspects, the worst was IMHO:
high inflation rate (100 - 200% per year, if I well remember)

My curiosity:
is it true that Iosip Broz Tito (of Croat origin) was NOT speaking correctly the official language of YU?
In Romania Ceausescu was speaking like an illiterate (bad pronuonciation, missing sounds from some words etc.)

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Old May 13th, 2011, 04:18 AM   #1990
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He died before I was born so I never heard him speak, but judging from various YouTube videos, he spoke pretty good. Mind you, I'm not an expert on "Croatian" language, even though its 99,999% similar to "Serbian" language - there are some differences in the ways certain letters or words are pronounced and other such things.

Here's an interesting speech of his:

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Old May 13th, 2011, 04:29 AM   #1991
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Speaking of Yugoslavia, here's a cool map of what the current system of motorways looks like in the six countries that once made up SFRJ - created by our forumer VEJZIK.

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Old May 13th, 2011, 08:28 AM   #1992
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^ Belgrade-Pancevo shows as a motorway, but Chris said it is just a regional road as 1+1. What is it?
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Old May 13th, 2011, 09:34 AM   #1993
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^ Belgrade-Pancevo shows as a motorway, but Chris said it is just a regional road as 1+1. What is it?


it can be seen on Google Maps (for example), that is 2+2 (without hard shoulders), out of city limits

within the cities BG/PA, there are traffic lights, zebra pedestrian crossings ...

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Old May 13th, 2011, 09:44 AM   #1994
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...I'm not an expert on "Croatian" language, even though its 99,999% similar to "Serbian" language...
I said Tito had Croat ethnic origin (his father), not that he spoke Croatian.
I used 'the official language of YU" because at that time this language was officially called 'Serbo-Croatian'. And I still call it so, today.

Regarding the speech of Tito and his argument of people waiting in rain to see him:
- maybe those people were not dissatisfied, but for sure they were not gathered there spontaneously. I lived during comunism.

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During comunism we (Romanians) envied Yugoslavia for its semi-socialist regime (Yugoslavs were allowed to work in Western Europe and bring money home).
In many aspects we considered Yugoslavia the most de-comunized socialist country:
- no Soviet army on your soil (neither in Romania)
- good commercial relations with the West
- many km of highways
- private property in agriculture (Romania had 80% colective agriculture)
etc.

There were negative aspects, the worst was IMHO:
high inflation rate (100 - 200% per year, if I well remember)
True, but still we could have done better if the system allowed 'more'...
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My curiosity:
is it true that Iosip Broz Tito (of Croat origin) was NOT speaking correctly the official language of YU?
In Romania Ceausescu was speaking like an illiterate (bad pronuonciation, missing sounds from some words etc.)
I've listened to some of Tito's speaches and god damn I could understand maybe just like 50%, so yes that guy was actually unable to speak his own language properly
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Old May 14th, 2011, 04:39 AM   #1996
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I've listened to some of Tito's speaches and god damn I could understand maybe just like 50%, so yes that guy was actually unable to speak his own language properly
oh, geeee ... please, just ignore this non-sense
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Old May 14th, 2011, 05:00 AM   #1997
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I said Tito had Croat ethnic origin (his father), not that he spoke Croatian.
I used 'the official language of YU" because at that time this language was officially called 'Serbo-Croatian'. And I still call it so, today.

Regarding the speech of Tito and his argument of people waiting in rain to see him:
- maybe those people were not dissatisfied, but for sure they were not gathered there spontaneously. I lived during comunism.
I know this is now way off-topic but I hope Chris will allow us to take it a few posts more, before we go back to discussing asphalt & bridges

Regarding the bolded part, even more people gathered for his funeral ...





And whats interesting, they still continue to gather...over a hundred thousand visited his grave during 2010, making it one of best visited Belgrade "attractions"

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Old May 14th, 2011, 02:39 PM   #1998
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is it true that Iosip Broz Tito (of Croat origin) was NOT speaking correctly the official language of YU?
it is not true
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Old May 14th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #1999
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Tito spoke a bit archaic language which you cannot hear today. He spoke some mix of croatian and serbian.
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Handful of photos from Nis - Dimitrovgrad (BG border) road....




















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