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Old May 21st, 2011, 04:41 PM   #2041
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Maybe it's also useful to get the facts straight. It does not cost € 20 - 25 to drive through Serbia. The toll from Subotica to Nis is € 13,50 for a passenger vehicle.

http://www.putevi-srbije.rs/sr/putarina
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Old May 21st, 2011, 04:47 PM   #2042
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Maybe it's also useful to get the facts straight. It does not cost € 20 - 25 to drive through Serbia. The toll from Subotica to Nis is € 13,50 for a passenger vehicle.

http://www.putevi-srbije.rs/sr/putarina
nor it costs in Croatia for A3 20€, it is 14,85€ from SRB to SLO border.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 04:50 PM   #2043
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Maybe it's also useful to get the facts straight. It does not cost € 20 - 25 to drive through Serbia. The toll from Subotica to Nis is € 13,50 for a passenger vehicle.

http://www.putevi-srbije.rs/sr/putarina
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http://www.putevi-srbije.rs/en/road-toll
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Old May 21st, 2011, 04:55 PM   #2044
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nor it costs in Croatia for A3 20€, it is 14,85€ from SRB to SLO border.
aha, next time you fool. I will quote you. Cause my father was forced pa 20€ passing through Croatia. There was a toll point where he had to pay arround 5 €, the first toll point, then he had to pay antoher 15 € the next toll point. Maybe they changed it. But i remember having this conversation a lot of times with you. i am sorry for offending you and I don#t mean it personally. But 20 € or even 15 for one passing is incredible. it is a very small country and the prices are very high! For such prices I expect all motorways to be like the Struma motorwaqy, when it was brand new and all rest areas to be of top qualtiy. But the situation as it is now is not as good as to charge 20 € for not even 300 kilometers.

People want to see the Alps when travelling to south east europe and altough it is 150 km shorter then going through Hungary it si much mroe expensive, I donät get this.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 05:06 PM   #2045
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we have already explained wou that toll at Bregana is 5 HRK, not 5€.

thankyou very much for calling me fool.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 05:13 PM   #2046
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http://www.hac.hr/en/toll-rates/price-list/cjenik10/

SRB - Zagreb 105 hrk
Zagreb - SLO 5 hrk

SRB - SLO 110 hrk (divided with 7.397, equals to 14.87 €)
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Old May 21st, 2011, 05:16 PM   #2047
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so the idiot at the toll station charged my father 5 € instead of 5 HRK
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Old May 21st, 2011, 05:16 PM   #2048
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Or the price of coffee in Dubrovnik
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Old May 21st, 2011, 05:42 PM   #2049
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But 20 € or even 15 for one passing is incredible. it is a very small country and the prices are very high! For such prices I expect all motorways to be like the Struma motorwaqy, when it was brand new and all rest areas to be of top qualtiy.
I just don't get this,why are you always mentioning Struma motorway? Struma is a sexy road but c'mon dude Croatian highways are probably top 5 in Europe,by quality and looks
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Old May 21st, 2011, 05:57 PM   #2050
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I just don't get this,why are you always mentioning Struma motorway? Struma is a sexy road but c'mon dude Croatian highways are probably top 5 in Europe,by quality and looks
But probably the crashbarries aren't shiny enough for Radi.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 06:48 PM   #2051
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nor it costs in Croatia for A3 20€, it is 14,85€ from SRB to SLO border.
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I just don't get this,why are you always mentioning Struma motorway? Struma is a sexy road but c'mon dude Croatian highways are probably top 5 in Europe,by quality and looks
it is not that sexy anymore cause of dust and sand and extreme weather conditions unfortunately. it has to be cleaned and markings renewed. But coratian motorways have hard asphalt and it is really a pleasure to drive on them. Just my opinon, when i am on a motorway i want soft gliding, I want to feel that the asphalt feels really thick and like rubber, anyone who has used the roads I am mentioning knows what I am talking about. The Slovenian motorways, especially a few years ago, when they were brand new, the motorway towards Ljubljana was impressive. Very even and soft asphalt. Croatian motorways are just like Serbian motorways in my opinion, only that they are newer.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:17 PM   #2052
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As far as I know waiting times have been significantly reduced in recent years. Those multiple-hours queues are only when there is a mass exodus of gastarbeiters to Bulgaria or Western European Turks to Turkey.
like 4 days in a year is like that.
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don't try to tell me Croatia has same prices.
I didn't even try to say that. In Croatia for a matter of fact nowhere in Europe you pay for regular roads, only in Bulgaria. So if you compare it to any other regular road in the world that cost 0 the Bulgaria is the most expensive.
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And i told you before, Slovenia has better looking motorways with the great style of crashbarriers and much softer asphalt. Also the asphalt has a different color, it is somehow brown and similar to the struma motorway and E-79 nationalroad, not like Croatia oldfashioned motorways man.
Sorry I forgot about crash barriers. But other than that i see no difference in SLO and CRO motorways.
BTW this is what I call old-fashioned
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974112-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974141-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974271-big.jpg
or this look the asphalt
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974238-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974232-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8351/022958133-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8105/022464590-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8355/022964733-big.jpg
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For such prices I expect all motorways to be like the Struma motorwaqy, when it was brand new and all rest areas to be of top qualtiy.
I hope that they will neve be like Struma dirty and full of grave and mud.
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People want to see the Alps when travelling to south east europe and altough it is 150 km shorter then going through Hungary it si much mroe expensive, I donät get this.
If you wanna see Alps, pay for it.
How do you comment on Austrian tunnel prices?

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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:24 PM   #2053
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Croatian motorways are just like Serbian motorways in my opinion, only that they are newer.
As I can recall motorway A3 (the biggest part is more than 20 years old)
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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:33 PM   #2054
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Here are the data (for earlier mentioned hwy sections):

in Croatia, E-70, SRB - SLO, 308 km, 14.87 €, 4.83 euro-cents/km
in Serbia, E-75, Niš - HUN, 429 km, 13.5 €, 3.15 euro-cents/km

the tricky part is that there are no vignettes, and that net monthly wages are:
in Croatia 700 €
in Serbia 325 €
(in western Europe 2,000 €, in eastern Europe 360 - 600 €)
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Old May 21st, 2011, 08:00 PM   #2055
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Here are the data (for earlier mentioned hwy sections):

in Croatia, E-70, SRB - SLO, 308 km, 14.87 €, 4.83 euro-cents/km
in Serbia, E-75, Niš - HUN, 429 km, 13.5 €, 3.15 euro-cents/km

the tricky part is that there are no vignettes, and that net monthly wages are:
in Croatia 700 €
in Serbia 325 €
(in western Europe 2,000 €, in eastern Europe 360 - 600 €)
When comparing monthly and yearly tarifs, using Bulgarian roads is cheaper: 1 year vignette costs about 30 euro and a monthly one costs 10 eur or so.
But as mentionned, vignette is necessary for all roads outside the citites.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 09:48 PM   #2056
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Sorry for offtopic but is there any list of how big monthly wages (salaries) are in countries of Europe?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 11:37 PM   #2057
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 12:01 AM   #2058
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 02:27 AM   #2059
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like 4 days in a year is like that.

I didn't even try to say that. In Croatia for a matter of fact nowhere in Europe you pay for regular roads, only in Bulgaria. So if you compare it to any other regular road in the world that cost 0 the Bulgaria is the most expensive.

Sorry I forgot about crash barriers. But other than that i see no difference in SLO and CRO motorways.
BTW this is what I call old-fashioned
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974112-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974141-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974271-big.jpg
or this look the asphalt
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974238-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8359/022974232-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8351/022958133-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8105/022464590-big.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/8355/022964733-big.jpg
I hope that they will neve be like Struma dirty and full of grave and mud.

If you wanna see Alps, pay for it.
How do you comment on Austrian tunnel prices?
You ahve to pay for regular roads in Romania aswell and I am sure there are also other countreis were this is the fact. And your pics do not proove anything. There are enough, more then enough roads in Bulgaria that are incredible and high standart, if you want to see them, I would have to upload 1000 pics or more. The struma motorway has dust now, yes. But it has still better asphalt then parts of Croatian A3. In bulgaria you pay 5 €, no matter how long your journey will take. And foreign people who drive there to pass the country wil use some motorway part, which means, you aktually pay for the motorways! They will either use Struma and Ljulin, Trakia and Marica, or Hemus motorway.
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But in Serbia and Croatia you cam drive without any tolls, completely free. In Bulgaria you cannot do it. How about that?
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